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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

Too bad most progressive left leaning people who this comic is talking about don't own firearms to fight the ruling class.

And if you're reading this thinking of rebuking with "there's a lot of liberal gun owners", the reality is that most of pro gun culture is monopolized by right wing Republicans and not only do they outnumber you by an alarmingly high order of magnitude, they side with the boot lickers and cops who protect the ruling class.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

thats the sad truth of it, they ain't massacring us because we ain't a threat. but back when we were, in not-so-distant past, workers were murdered for disrupting and striking.

they don't care about climate change beyond how it affects their power. they will not just repent and hand the world over.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

See, I wonder about this. Perhaps left leaning people are just far less likely to do things that draw attention to their gun ownership. You say gun culture is dominated by the right wing, and I don't disagree with you. Maybe it's just that right wing people make it a cultural thing more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

If it's a cultural thing then, logically speaking, the conservatives would still end up with more guns.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, corporations with billions and private "security ", backed by governments with billions, police armed like the military, and an army, can be defeated by a bunch of good progressists with guns.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't know if you're being dumb or sarcastic. Likely your are stupid and forgot your history.

Vietnam NVA did fine with farmers who had no education, so did the Taliban using the same. Both defeated a coalition backed major military superpower with infinite money and significantly better equipment than them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Guns aren't the only way to make a revolution, tho

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your assuming we all live in America where guns are legal. Good luck getting one in the UK.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Seems like that makes you extra fucked in the UK

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Yes and no. We don't have school shootings so that's a plus. I guess not having guns is the cost of that, which is pretty fair. Some people are allowed guns, but you need a special license for it.

Edit: also we actually have stronger unions and more strike action even without guns. They don't actually help outside of a revolution. If anything we have less police violence because we don't have guns, so the most of police don't either. As a police officer you have to have special specific training to even handle a taser, nevermind a gun.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

We need them on our side!

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy seems very class conscious to me, I like that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

It was made by and is maintained by Communists, along Communist principles. Hard not to be at least aware.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This explains why the religious nutbags in the ruling class are attempting to bring The End Times,

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Taking the expression β€˜going out on top’ a little too seriously….

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Even if there's a working class revolution, things are still completely fucked.

The biggest issue isn't who is in charge, it's the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.

We couldn't even get the population to wear masks during a global pandemic killing so many people that hospitals needed to bring in refrigerator trucks to store the bodies.

But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?

Yeah, right.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

The biggest issue isn’t who is in charge, it’s the fact that humans are fundamentally incapable of cooperating across large groups.

I'm not so sure that this is an inherent problem with humanity so much as it is a symptom of our current political and economic systems and culture.

Take you pandemic/mask example for instance. Pretty much everyone was on board with masks, social distancing, etc, until a few weeks/months in when it got politicized. Conservative leaders saw they could rile up their base by take a stance against the science. And they took advantage of our cultural preference for individualism where we could instead have a more collectivist culture.

These systems and cultural norms aren't inherent to humans. It's inherent to our shitty half-democracy, capitalism, etc.

But those same salt of the earth workers are going to negotiate climate controls with China?

The oil lobby pays shit loads of money to propagandize the population in the exact same way the tobacco industry did it. Start dealing with that, and the workers won't buy the bullshit propaganda anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Cooperating across large groups is one of our defining characteristics, as a species.

We could get the population to wear masks, in very large part, because certain ultra wealthy interest groups didn't want to close the economy down and make a little bit less money. So, they polluted the avaliable information. Post working class revolution, the idea would be for them to not have the power to do that.

We can't use a problem caused by the system as an argument against changing the system.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

We couldn’t even get the population to wear masks during a global pandemic killing so many people that hospitals needed to bring in refrigerator trucks to store the bodies.

Meanwhile China managed to for years

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure this is the plot of Horizon: Zero Dawn

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

What a great game!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately most lefties are active online instead of local politics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Seems to have worked pretty well for libertarians with Bitcoin. Maybe we need a wildcat strike app.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Nah, not all life. Just the collapse of civilization as we know it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Civilization as we know it probably has to collapse anyway if we wanna see the changes that would help everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

2040 baby! (MIT said so)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

That but with C++

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

""""might""""""

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