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As Israel Begins “Final Phase” of Genocide, Biden Slams Pro-Palestine Protests (truthout.org)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Just two months ago, Biden said that the invasion of Rafah is a “red line” Israel must not cross.

Archived version: https://archive.ph/96pmD

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Dear "journalists", if your headline contains the word "slams", I just assume it's a poorly written article and I don't read it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Slams them with the door until they're dead

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

https://youtu.be/J9FImc2LOr8

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In this case, it's more literal than figurative. Cops did slam people to the ground, both students and elderly professors alike.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes but the title claims Biden slammed them.

...I'd love to see him try, honestly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I think we could get good pay per view numbers on that.

We bill it as "Octogenarians in the Octagon".

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Banning young people's favorite app and then doubling down on the genocide is not the sort of strategy that wins elections.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I guess the Zionist crowd is more important to him than most young people, then. What a shame.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If genocide Joe loses it's his fault

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

seems like he's been actively trying to lose the election for months

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's like he's old and wants to retire but if he tries to leave on his own the DNC is going to kill his dog.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So you are ready to vote for his competition?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes! I have voted third party and intend on continuing.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Final phase, now where have I heard something similar?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I'm voting for the wizard

[+] [email protected] -6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Man I fucking hate to have to do this to all the Biden apologists on lemmy who let it get this far, but we told you so.

Thanks. You've handed the election to trump.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All you powerless people on the internet; this is your fault.

This is what idiots actually believe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

i'm going to copy/paste this to the only 2 comments this thread is getting:

if you look at the up/down votes the last half dozen biden/gaza threads on the fediverse over 100, you'll see that there's nearly 2:1 votes in favor of biden perpetuation genocide.

the fediverse was started by tankies and is, arguably, the most left leaning social media platform out there and even here, moderates dominate the conversation.

add to that the fact that the democratic party is successfully using abortion to get votes and rfk jr is a much bigger threat to trump than biden; it's pretty clear that biden will win not matter what.

i'll leave this quote from mlk jir because it helps me accept this thing that i cannot change:

I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think the quote about the "white liberal" more interested in the negative peace of order is incredibly salient. I've been thinking very very deeply about this quote over the last several months.

add to that the fact that the democratic party is successfully using abortion to get votes and rfk jr is a much bigger threat to trump than biden; it’s pretty clear that biden will win not matter what.

I appreciate your optimism but I think this is less certain than you make it out to be. I think you need to take these assumptions to the electoral college map and actually game it out. Specifically, without pivoting on Gaza, I argue that Biden has lost Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota. They demonstrated their willingness to step back from Biden, and Biden has only gotten worse since then. He held onto those states by a shoestring in 2020.

Thats 35 electoral votes. So where does Biden make those up on abortion rights? What states does Biden flip into his favor. Florida? (yea fucking right) Texas? (blue as my balls waiting for this state to turn purple).

Like show me on a map where these electoral college votes that Biden has gained are coming from and we can have that conversation. Otherwise, you don't actually have an argument because the popular vote is irrelevant, and whining about winning the popular vote while losing the electoral college isn't an argument either.

My read of the electoral college map is that we're basically locked into the state it was in for 2016 and 2020. I don't see anything fundamentally different going into 2024. So the question becomes, what states flip from 2020?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Like show me on a map where these electoral college votes that Biden has gained are coming from and we can have that conversation. Otherwise, you don’t actually have an argument because the popular vote is irrelevant, and whining about winning the popular vote while losing the electoral college isn’t an argument either.

the argument comes from midterm election results where red safety states went blue when they were bombarded with pro-abortion political adds. this article from npr goes into a deeper dive and also has a link to the exit poll results from those midterm elections: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248599739/abortion-democrats-independents-republicans-voting-2024-election

additionally: presidential elections also usually go blue so a popular vote win is also likely for biden. (this is so well known that some red states like texas hold their gubernatorial elections on off presidential year elections to avoid this phenomenon).

finally: my goal wasn't to spread optimism; i was trying to share something that helps give me peace with our situation with someone who has expressed the same concern i've been having in a thread that the fediverse is trying to now trying to ignore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I asked for what specific states are going to flip on abortion rights. Your article does not cover that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the article that the i shared with you has a link showing the exit polls.

tldr: it all the states that voted blue where they were expected to go red; including georgia, pennsylvania, nevada, & arizona

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

All of those states were blue in 2020. None of those represent a pickup based on abortion.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-actual-electoral-map

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

read the articles: they were expected to go red for congress and didn't, that's the point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ok so you retained those states.

Where do you get the remaining electoral college votes if WI, MI, and MN go red?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

wisconsin's pro-republican gerrymandering is gone; presidential term elections almost always go more blue and will influence the outcome as it did in the last presidential election; and rfk jr. is around to soak up the rest.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago

So whats the path then?

https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-actual-electoral-map

Use this and tell me your path to 270. You have to do it with out WI, MI, and MN.

If you can't do that, then stfu.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

@eldavi

i’m going to copy/paste this to the only 2 comments this thread is getting

I don't get why you don't just post it once and then @ everyone you're talking to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i didn't know i could do that; thank you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That would explain it! No worries.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Amen brother.

All the way through I have been saying "we need to hold Biden's heels to the fire, not be sending the message that his fascist tactics are working."

"BuT tRuMp!!!"

Now Trump wins because liberals are disenfranchised and what's worse, I predict that will only drive the DNC deeper into fascism.

They rigged Bernie out, and doubled down on the fascism then.

This cycle, there isnt even a viable candidate that they are suppressing, and they are tripling down on the fascism.

Biden has already lost, and Progressives are more likely to team up with him (Edit: By him, I meant Trump, not Biden. They have become the same Party with a little bit but not much disagreement over abortion) than to resist him.

America really is fucked right now...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Yeah I don't know what we do.

I want Bernie to run third party. I don't think Biden can win.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We have to fight fascism non electorally. Protests, etc. Don't let them win!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

by tooth and claw

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[+] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Bullshit. Don't blame voters for Biden risking handing the forever keys to the country to the fucking Nazis just to protect a genocide. Some people have actual principles and if one of those principles is to not vote for a guy that arms and funds a genocide, don't you fucking dare blaming them. This is on Biden and his handlers thinking it was a jolly fine strategy trying to manufacture enough consent for a genocide among Democrats and Independents to win an election. The obvious weak link is that genocide is a bit of a hard sell to non fascists, in case you didn't realize.

Many democrats and independents will still do their duty and vote for Biden, but many simply can't or won't vote for a pro genocide politician even if the alternative is so much worse. Some things simply can't stand and consequences be damned, you know? Conservatives feel that shit over stuff like trans people needing to use the bathroom and naughty books, but genocide is one of those things that can make even a Democrat put their foot down. I mean, who could have figured the woke brigade was against genocide? Camp Biden surely didn't.

To summarize, Biden shot a big gaping hole in his own foot and you are blaming the voters for his almost inevitable loss in the upcoming foot race? Is that about right? I can almost see him aiming at the other foot right now, thinking more speed holes will give him an edge.