this post was submitted on 02 May 2024
33 points (97.1% liked)
Scotland
454 readers
1 users here now
Fàilte gu Alba!
Mon in tae Scotland!
Welcome to Scotland!
Quick rules:
- dinnae be a cunt
- posts should relate tae Scotland
Have at it, and haste ye back
Related communities
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
but they aren't doing 35 at least any more!
You wouldn't have a car left if you tried to go 30 on most Edinburgh roads, tbh.
I have no issues with 20 limits, both as a driver and a pedestrian
I dunno, I see people doing 40 effectively in an off road 20 near me.
The average will be lower. The penalty if caught will also be higher than if it were marked thirty.
The move is designed to make roads safer and encourage more walking and cycling
Nonsense, that's not how to encourage other walking and cycling. To encourage walking you need to build pedestrian-friendly infrastructure where everything is in easy walking distance without crossing vehicle traffic. I cross roads four times with no crossing infrastructure in a less than 5 minute walk to my closest shop, that is not pedestrian-friendly by any stretch of the imagination. To encourage cycling we need proper cycling infrastructure, again without crossing vehicle traffic. That means proper cycle routes, not painted gutters barely as wide as a single bike. There's a one-way bike lane near me which runs against the flow of vehicle traffic and both starts and ends in a high vehicle traffic road, I rarely see anyone on it for obvious reasons.
Changing a number on a sign does not change how people travel. If you want people to use other travel infrastructure that infrastructure must be the most attractive option for most journeys for most people. Getting hit by a car at 20 is better than 30, sure, but it's objectively better to not risk getting hit by a car at all.
I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I don't think they're claiming that this move alone will prove a panacea. It still might encourage people to walk or cycle - not as many as the changes you suggest, but it could help.
Also this line:
Getting hit by a car at 20 is better than 30, sure, but it's objectively better to not risk getting hit by a car at all.
At least if it's going at 20 that reduces the risk of being hit at all (as well as the consequences if you are hit).
Not Kph?
Not in Scotland yet. Indy and rejoin the EU, end these nonsense units please!
If it's was kph we could have "Thirty's Dirty"
If it was all in km then everything would be further away.
Well obviously, how else would we claim to be bigger and better?
Kelvinpicohours