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[–] [email protected] 364 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 205 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (22 children)

More like, "we've invented a cure for cancer, but only people who have cancer right now can get it. People in the future are fucked once again and won't get the cure."

Loan forgiveness without making education affordable going forward doesn't solve the problem. It's pulling up the ladder.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 months ago (9 children)

So we should just not let the people currently sick have the cure? 🤔

Even in your analogy, curing any cancer today, even if it doesn't extend to future sufferers, is an improvement over curing no one. Because fuck cancer, and fuck student loans.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 months ago

We should still do good things even if we can't do all the good things.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

Could also be "but we might give the cure to people who have cancer in the future, but nobody knows if the government will allow it"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (13 children)

So the people who could get relief should abstain because the door is shut on any legislation as long as the GOP are in power?

Awfully compassionate of you.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

I'm on board, as long as we forcefully agree that cancelling the loans is a good thing - it's just NOT ENOUGH

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Exactly , rather than only forgiving existing loans that should make education free and also forgive existing loans , and perhaps give people who have already paid off their loan some kind of stimulus check as a kind of recognition that their struggle was just as hard as everyone else's and they deserve a break too.

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[–] [email protected] 166 points 4 months ago (11 children)

I spent five figures paying mine off two years ago.

Still 100% support my tax dollars paying for people's college. In fact, I'd love that instead of the nine wars my tax dollars are paying for instead.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

I'd settle for interest free loans tbh...

And then do it for personal homes, too.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd settle for universal housing. And universal education. And universal healthcare.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand why you need all of that. Let's say we agree, next you'll say people deserve clean water and steer the world away from climate disaster and genocide. You want it all!

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The Australian model is also interesting. After your degree you pay a certain percentage of your income to your university for a decade or so. But only if you earn more than the average person.

This means a university gets more money when their students gets good job.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Other points about the Australian system:

  • The cost of the university course is subsidised by the government. The government pays the majority of the cost, usually around 70-80%. For example, a Bachelor of Computer Science degree at the university I went to (Swinburne) is currently AU$9k/year (~US$5.8k) subsidised vs AU$39k/year (~US$25.4k) full price.
  • The loans for the amount you have to pay are through the government and are interest free. They're indexed for inflation once per year, but this is a much lower increase compared to interest from a bank loan.
  • You only have to pay it off once you earn over $51k/year, like you said. Repayments start at 1% of income and are paid as part of your income tax return.
  • They used to have a program where if you paid $500 or more of the loan upfront, you'd get a 10% discount (so e.g. if you paid $500, it'd reduce your loan balance by $550).

Note that this system only applies to citizens and permanent residents. International students still have to pay the full price. Having said that, Australian universities frequently advertise at college fairs in the USA, as even at the full price plus flights plus accomodation, studying in Australia can still end up cheaper than the USA, and Americans love Australia 🙂

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The problem is colleges just will keep charging more because they know people will just keep getting them knowing the gov will cover it eventually. The fix isn't to have the gov. Cover some loans, it should be to stop letting colleges be run like a private sector.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Jokes on you, they already keep charging more.

I bet if the government is footing the bill they will demand lower tuition. And unlike lowly poor people, the government is someone they will have to listen to.

You aren't wrong with your point. But both should be true.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Agreed. Tanks don't teach, don't heal, don't feed and don't pay pensions.

~~Fucking Putin~~

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I actually beat cancer. If they suddenly find a cure for cancer now I am going to be so fucking happy! This comment is about student loans...and fuck cancer.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 months ago (2 children)

From the school of “I suffered through [x], so therefore everyone else should suffer, too, even if they don’t need to.”

There’s always going to be a cutoff point where someone has it harder or easier than those that came before. That’s just life. As long as the change wasn’t malicious, just feel good (or whatever is appropriate) for those that benefit from it.

I work in a highly contract-controlled industry, and when things improve there’s always a segment of the group that might be close to retirement or something and gets all pissed that they didn’t won’t realize the benefits of a change that will apply mostly to those that will have longer under the change. They’re the same ones that bitch that new employees didn’t suffer under whatever crappy work rules that might have existed before, too.

So yeah…people that paid off their loans, or guys that I work with that paid for some/all of their kid’s college, bitch about people catching a break on their loans. STFU and be happy that someone else caught a break.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This also needs to go into the cancer he beat is dramaticly easier to overcome than cancer in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (13 children)

I have to wonder if my generation [Millenial] had any effect on university enrollments yet. My kids aren’t quite the age to talk about education plans as I had kiddos later in life @30yo (40 now). I’ll be strongly discouraging uni unless it’s completely unavoidable to what they want to do.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm approaching 40 and have three kids from 10yo to 1yo, and I'm still going to encourage them going to college, but in a way that makes sense for them. My wife and I both work at a community college, and there's no way our kids are going to go to a 4-year right out of high school (unless they get a full scholarship for something and already know exactly what they want to do).

Too many students don't know what they want to study, don't value the education, and drive themselves into too much debt. While I highly value the education and skills gained in a bachelor's program, there's no need to be going into debt at a university to take first- and second-year courses when community colleges are effectively free (in CA, anyway)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I mean the numbers still say that a bachelor's degree doubles or triples your lifetime earnings over a high school diploma. Moreover, an educated society benefits everyone. College is still the right move at every scale. What we need to do is make it a more equitable system.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

I don't get it

Edit:

Ok thanks I get it now.

People with student loans are mad there are loan forgiveness programs.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I finally paid off my student loans!

If they suddenly forgive student loans given to people now, I'm gonna be so mad.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

"I paid off all of my student loans myself, it's not fair for the government just forgive loans from other people!"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

In the US it’s common for people to say that they shouldn't cancel student loan debts because it would be unfair to people who have already paid theirs back.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People who have paid off their student loans are allegedly opposed to the government forgiving student loans for people that are financially burdened by them.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I worked my ass off to pay off my student loans, and I wish it upon no one. It didn't teach me shit except fuck capitalism. School should be socialized and free. And fuck cancer!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I hope they find a cure because even if you beat cancer, it can still come back.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

Hi I'm a fucking idiot, how can you beat cancer if there is no cure for it yet?

I thought there was a cure but I guess not a very good one since some people don't make it

Edit: Thank you for the answers, that really cleared it up for me, and I understand cancer a bit better now.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

A "cure" in this situation means an essentially guaranteed method of treatment. Cancers vary greatly, with some being benign, some being very treatable, and some being extremely deadly (at least with current technology).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

Cancer, as far as I'm aware, goes into remission and isn't cured. Remission is when there isn't any detectable signs of a cancer mass or growth in your body. So imaging doesn't pick up any tumors, your blood work doesn't indicate any hormonal changes, and biopsies come back negative.

A cure would be like say there is no cancer and it won't come back. Remission is more like we have no evidence of cancer and x% of maintain that state for x years.

Fun fact: your body is constantly making cancerous cells, but you have the ability to detect and destroy them before they get out of hand. Keep that immune system strong.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did you know that you can cure your meat and beat it?

Maybe not in that order.

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