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Why is Matrix mentioned more often than XMPP in self hosted forums? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm looking into hosting one of these for the first time. From my limited research, XMPP seems to win in every way, which makes me think I must be missing something. Matrix is almost always mentioned as the de-facto standard, but I rarely saw arguments why it is better than XMPP?

Xmpp seems way easier to host, requiring less resources, has many more options for clients, and is simpler and thus easier to manage and reason about when something goes wrong.

So what's the deal?

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[–] ericjmorey 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm going to throw this out there not being sure how true it is, but I find it interesting to think about.

XMPP is much more widely used than Matrix if you count WhatsApp (Meta/Facebook). ActivityPub is much more widely used than AT Protocol and nostr combined if you count Threads (Meta/Facebook). So reasons why people aren't talking about XMPP include not wanting to recognize that Meta is hugely influential in this space and that most people don't talk about the underlying protocols of the services and tools they're use at all leaving a self selected group of people looking for alternatives with traction that don't depend on Meta. Outside of WhatsApp, there's not a lot of traction with any particular XMPP implementation. And none of the XMPP implementations have a Discord-ish organization of chat rooms that's popular and familiar right now. Matrix has both right now (although I don't think it will ever be more than a small niche in the mobile messaging space).

I'm fine with using Matrix for what it is. There are programming language communities that have been very helpful for me and a number of Lemmy related communities that have been nice to be a part of.

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[–] anzo 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tinode and Snikket should be discussed too. They're server and clients, built upon XMPP and including the many extensions, "XEPs" that an admin would want in order to give their users a modern experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Tinode is not XMPP/Jabber. It is not compatible with XMPP. It's meant as a replacement for XMPP.

From their repo. it has AFAIK nothing to do with XMPP, they just use it as an SEO term.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm trying out another extremely lightweight nostr relay

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

May be lightweight, but why there has to be one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

In order to ensure that my account's historical data is backed up, I am worried that other relay servers will disappear or fail

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

because it's new

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