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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As a Romanian I want to tell everyone "you're welcome, world".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank you for this and also for all the delicious Italian food.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Don't let the Italians know that our version of their dishes is better, they'll start throwing hands in 2 seconds flat.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (13 children)

As much as I'm glad that Andrew Tate is facing criminal charges, I think we need to address the root cause of our societal ills. Tate isn't the cause but rather a symtpom.

We really need to step back and ask ourselves why somebody so brazenly misogynistic has attracted a following of millions and has become a role model to teenage boys especially.

I can explain exactly why, because we've created a growing social underclass of men who cannot earn a living, cannot find a romantic partner, cannot live fulfilling lives, and anybody who they turn to either mocks them, fobs them off, or give them false platitudes, which is why they turn to toxic masculinity and the Manosphere for guidance.

The reality is that inceldom is largely an economic issue that has resulted from decades of stagnated wages which have disproportionately affected men, because despite our best efforts to create an egalitarian society, we still overwhelmingly find men unattractive if they are not the strong hunter-gatherers and providers that our biology has been conditioned over millions of years to find physically attractive. Our biology has not caught up to the millennia of societal progress we've made because evolution is a much slower process.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can't agree with that. Being poor is not an excuse to be a shitbag. A lot of those guys aren't even trying to change anything, they put all the blame on corporations as if it somehow makes their behavior justified, and then spend their days on incel forums.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

They didn't say it was an excuse. They didn't defend being a shitbag. They offered an explanation. You may disagree with it, but you're not talking about the same thing here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

That's what I meant, I can't agree with this explanation. Economic disadvantages don't create incels.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

This sounds like a list of excuses to be a fucking shitbag. You can't make money? Don't be a bitch and get a job. IF YOU CAN'T SUPPORT YOURSELF that is not a woman's problem. That is your problem. Is modern society too hard for you? Pretty sure humans have thousands of years of evolution dealing with actual existential threats of starvation and surviving the elements that most of humanity overcame. Now your bills are too much and it's driving you to beating the fuck out of women? Fuck off with that shit.

Fuck yeah we can do a lot better as a species, but with some actual perspective of the majority of humans time on earth we have it pretty damn peachy. Sure as fuck aren't victims of some atrocious shit that justifies any of that redpill bullshit, at least on a systemic level.

People are becoming incels because a bunch of idiots got ahold of the internet and gave themselves a name and a platform to echochamber in. That is it. It would have happened, much worse, in any other time in history if they were able to organize.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Hmm, I don't think I'm with you. You say men are incels because they're poor and can't find a girl. From what I've seen, they can't find a girl because of deeply rooted, misogynistic beliefs that turn people off. If also like to see your citation for wage stagnation affecting men more than women, because every study I've seen says the wage gap has stayed the same or widened in the last few years. I know many, many men who aren't the strong hunter gatherer type and have loving wives or girlfriends. The difference is those guys aren't assholes.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

inceldom is largely an economic issue

that's such a reach. women are lagrely more economically disadvantaged, specially when you consider that men are paid more, are not straved off of promotions due to their gender, are not discriminated because they are women. rich/well-off incels exist, they are and will remain incels despite their financial status or attractiveness. they are incels because of their misogynistic beliefs (among other horrible traits).

the internet and tate has amplified the voices of this community since they are able to congregate anonymously and with no repercussions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Sorry, I'm currently one of those dudes who doesn't have a romantic partner and doesn't live what others would call a "fulfilling life". I haven't fucking decided that Andrew Tate or any of a thousand others are the guiding star of my life, nor do I feel I ever will. This idea of "society's to blame for incels" is pretty bad even on its face - most of these guys are told by these influencers (or their cultists) that they deserve not only a happy, prosperous life, but they shouldn't even have to actively work for it. According to this philosophy, they shouldn't have to go out and actively seek romance, women should be flocking to them in droves. As this does not happen, something must be fundamentally wrong with society - which is why a lot of these types also wind up spouting fascist rhetoric, and eventually fall into white supremacist pablum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

It's an economic issue in as much as this is what capitalism promotes and exemplifies. Psychopaths and sociopaths rise to the top. And all the other haters fangirl over them for doing it.

Some of the happiest most satisfied people I know are poor. They just don't have the massive entitlement to other people's things.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I’m happy to be reading about this on a 3rd party app for a growing redddit alternative. Feels right.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Is there a /r/upliftingnews equivalent here yet?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Couldn’t happen to a nicer piece of trash.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lollll I absolutely love that it was because of Greta Thunberg that he got caught.

Here's a quote from an article:

On Tuesday, Mr Tate, a former kickboxer and influencer who has been banned from numerous social media services for violent and misogynistic rhetoric, tagged Ms Thunberg in a Twitter post, asking for her email address so he could “send a complete list of my car collection and their respective enormous emissions”.

The tweet also featured Mr Tate filling up a gas-guzzling Bugatti supercar at the pump.

The following day, the climate activist responded with a tweet of her own, replying, “Yes, please do enlighten me. email me at [email protected].”

He then took a picture of himself with a pizza box, which then led the Romanian authorities to where he was hiding, and was arrested.

Fuck yeah.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And to think, all of this happened because he got owned by Greta Thunberg.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I believe that was just coincidental timing. Not complaining though, because it made it all much more exciting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It wasn't just timing. His reply to Greta was what led the Romanian police to know he was in Romania and close to which pizza restaurant.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Good. Fuck that guy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

They say that if you can't say something good, you shouldn't say anything at all.

Andrew Tate has been indicted and will face trial on rape and human trafficking charges in Romania. Good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

One more grifter preying on young men has fallen. This is a nice day.

Also 666th upvote

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Preying on young women and young men. Probably being enslaved and trafficked is worse for the women than it was for the young men dragged into his sphere of influence. Thoroughly evil man.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

"Where corruption is accessible to everybody."

The boy must be a nobody.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I'll celebrate at conviction.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hopefully he gets convicted. The evidence is ostensibly damning, but sleazeballs like him always seem to manage to avoid real repercussions.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Didn't a wonderful girl get the best of him when he messed with her on the Internet?

Tate is one of the worst of the right. Glad justice is coming for him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Well, well. If it isn't the consequences of their shitty, abhorrent behaviour! Here's hoping to a long, long prison sentence for these fucks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Top Grifter

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Couldn't happen to a more deserving attempt at a human... Hope Romanian prisons are appropriately hellish.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Oh hi, good news this Tuesday morning... mister "above the law" finds himself indicted and on trial for the stuff he admitted doing in recordings. 385 million seized for being a human trafficking piece of shit? It's a start.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Always nice to see people face consequences for their terrible actions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Good, hope he gets locked away.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fellow! It's rare that a person's achievements are repaid with the commensurate rewards... but this proves that such miracles do happen every now and then.

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