Yeah, it’s called the kayak lol
On a serious note, I don’t think there’s much you can really do to stop hobbyist fishers. The scale of factory farming dwarfs anything an individual does
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Yeah, the fish are too trusting 😅 I was kayaking real close to them, they kept a couple feet of distance but definitely wouldn't care given the distance I got from the fishers. But if there was some way to scare them from a distance with a sound or even a scent they like on my boat so they come toward my boat and away from the fishers, I feel like it could be good?
i agree the scale is completely different, to the point that looking at the numbers it doesn't even make sense to focus on fishers and instead divert all that effort to industry, I think it mainly comes down to feeling powerless against industrial fishing / animal ag in general (vs the fishers are right there and it feels like a more even playing field), and a selfish/self centered annoyance that they're making my time on the water worse by causing harm for fun which sucks to see and I feel disempowered from stopping them more directly.
.. if there was some way to scare them from a distance with a sound or even a scent they like on my boat so they come toward my boat and away from the fishers...
So you would disrupt the natural behaviours of all the fish to save a few? That doesn't seem like a reasonable way to reduce suffering and mortality.
It's not disrupting their natural behavior any more than fishing lures and bait are lmao
if you're about to walk in front of a bus do you want me to not say anything nor yank you out of the way to avoid disrupting your natural behavior?
How is disrupting an ecosystem comparable to directly intervening to save a specific individual?
If you want to lobby against and mount protests against angling, do it, but don't compound the problem by further stressing the fish or tempting them away from their natural habitats and food sources.
I hear sticking your head under water and shouting Boo works
You are a silly authoritarian twat. Perhaps you should reconsider your line of logic.
Authoritarian describes what humans generally do to other species, not efforts to prevent them from being harmed
Authoritarian - adjective - favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, at the expense of personal freedom.
You wish to limit other people's freedoms that's authoritarian. Fish can feel pain, but they definitely do not have a presence of mind. Fish are not people.
Fishing is one of the most sustainable ways to eat and harvest meat. Eat and harvest meat. It is also one of the most environmentally friendly. You should rethink your militant Jainism
I mean coming into c/vegan and arguing to eat meat is brave for a start.
Then you try to justify with "they don't feel", "they are sustainable", "environmentally friendly".
Fair play, you don't have a clue do you?
Fishing violates their freedom far more than me trying to protect the fish violates the freedom of fishers. But like most injustices, the oppressor sees their oppression being stopped as their rights being taken away.
Is "presence of mind" what gives somone moral relevance? If so, you'd have no problem with someone hunting infants or humans in comas, right?
The people who would be fish-blocked by me do not need to eat or harvest meat, so me trying to stop them is just as "militantly jainist" as trying to stop dog fights, another form of unnecessary violence to other animals.
I'm sure the shark asks for consent before he swims up to the tuna and takes a chunk out of him. Animals eat animals. We are an animal.
Some humans have the presence of mind to realize we don't need to eat other animals to thrive, and stop because it's not good to cause unnecessary harm
Dogs work well. Mine have upset many a spawn camper by barelling through the river where their traps are set.
Fish don't like noise. Simply talking loudly can be enough.