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This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

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[–] [email protected] 319 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (14 children)

Lemmy world:

Users, not even on Lemmy World or directly affected by this:

Pissed Pikachu with torch and pitchfork

I'm not in the loop or even involved with LW's admin affairs, but I would imagine there was a letter or email to them or their service provider that prompted that and likely named those communities specifically. Going out on a limb, I would guess the community removal was a timely response to something like that, and based on LW's history, an announcement will probably be coming soon-ish.

Before you grab your torches and pitchforks, remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don't have legal departments.

[–] [email protected] 134 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

"The cloud is just other people's computers" - It's inconvenient, but those computers are real, physical objects subject to oversight from real, physical law enforcement.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

"but it's not my computer, so you should be willing to host any of it"

[–] [email protected] 76 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Remember: Pretty much every Lemmy instance is run by volunteers that don’t have legal departments

One lawsuit can shut them down.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Never understood people who don't get this.

As a person who is part of open source communities, on various chairs and donates, the money is extremely slim, and the people involved just want to build cool things.

We are busy trying to keep the lights on for hundreds of thousands of people can enjoy this service. And if a small group of troublemakers force us to get a strong legal threat, we aren't risking the the project's survival for them.

Especially when we don't know the troublemakers, don't have any connection with them, they don't contribute to the platform, etc.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Evidence No. 3783 that "social media" and "privacy" do not mix well together.

Let me repeat one more time:

  • anything you write online should be considered public.
  • There is no "consent-based" fediverse.
  • There is no "GDPR protects me from that".
  • There is no "security through obscurity".
  • There is no "dark corner of the internet".

No matter your morals and ethical values, If you need to have any type of conversation that you think might get you in legal trouble, do not have this conversation in a public forum. Use #matrix if you have to, and even then you'd still need to worry large group chats which may have some undercover agent.

And if you are really concerned about "censorship", then ActivityPub is not for you. Go join forces with the bitcoiners and use #nostr.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Oh oops, you haven't pasted some cool copyleft licence below your words on this niche thread on a niche social media network so looks like I might remix and reuse your content without attribution... Unlucky

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah like.

This isn't reddit dot com opaquely purging your favourite subreddit for some unspecific corporate reason.

The admins stated quite clearly why they are blocking it ("we don't want trouble, and our TOS lay out that we'll defed from illegal shit for our own safety"), and it is their instance. And unlike Reddit -- The community is still THERE in its home server. It has not been burninated. -- You can just. Make an account elsewhere. It's free. It takes less than 5 minutes. You can even KEEP your LW account for other communities.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

This is precisely it.
One other point is, some instance want to focus on certain things, and take the risks, where others don't.
Our community feddit.uk doesn't do nsfw, because it's not worth the headache for what our main focus is.
The guy running lemmynsfw on the other hand, is enthusiastically embracing the challenges involved, and more power to him!

And in the end, it works. We handle Mr. Brains Pork Balls, they can handle...other balls.

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Great thing about the fediverse is that you have options when admin/moderation actions occur that you don’t agree with. If Reddit were to remove /r/piracy then we’d have no recourse

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 8 months ago (12 children)

ITT: People who think lemmy.world is equal to Lemmy.

Go join another instance folks.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago

Yep, this is why I have multiple Lemmy accounts. That's even one of the biggest strengths of Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 8 months ago

This is why you don't sign up with the biggest possible instances, eventually they will become the biggest possible bottleneck in a network. Anything dot world admins do will affect all of their users, that shouldn't be surprising 🤷

As for dbzer0, this might affect users in the short term but eventually people will figure out how to access the sub from more friendly instances.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Stop crying about it and just join a new instance, pretty simple.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah that. And I say it as someone who, on a good day, will go on philosophical rambles about how piracy is in fact the moral thing to do.

Do people just not get that this is the entire point of a decentralized system?

Hop accounts, you lil' bitch. Don't sit in one server complaining about the owner of that server when you have a billion options.

And if your priority is the piracy community? Make the server that hosts that your homeserver.

Or just have more than one account and use an app instead of the default webpage.

It's not rocket science. People's brains are poisoned by centralization. Back in my day everything was its own separate forum with its own separate account and to be honest, it was miles better like that.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I did that the last time and moved here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Better management, no censorship, better uptimes and quicker upgrades, no need to look back (I moved "momentarily").

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago (5 children)

This isn't reddit. There's a clear solution here: decentralization. Aka, like the entire point why we're on Lemmy in the first place. Join another instance lol.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (8 children)

What a bunch of fucking clowns.

Anyways.... [email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (7 children)

When "reddit outside of reddit" does reddit things 🫨

[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, Rudd is just a hobbyist who runs .world in his spare time. If he’s getting legal pressure, he’s probably going to cover his ass. He’s not a company with a legal dept. He’s a guy with a family and a day job.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sad that antipiracy laws are in place.

But understandable that lemmy.world protect themselves against those unfair laws.

The sailing will continue, but, as always, we should be wary of the "navy" and sail with precaution.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Does removing mean defederate?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Can confirm, moved out of lemmy.world by this bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The pirates will simply move to another Lemmy Instance and re-create the group there. This is the advantage of having a decentralized platform: so one person or small group of people can't ruin things for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

These communities not on .world.

They are: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]

Pirates will not move the communities. The communities are fine where they are. People will need to create accounts on the host instances or instances that haven’t blocked those communities.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Spin up a piracy instance on a server in China or Russia and be done with it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

EDIT: dbzer0 had nothing to do with this ban, it was done by a Lemmy.World admin.

~~I updated my post after another user stated that it wasn't lemmy.world admins that performed the ban but the db0 team that did. I can't say with certainty that's actually the case since the modlog is pretty opaque and I don't have full knowledge of how [federated] actions are propagated & displayed.~~

~~I (incorrectly?) assumed since those communities had existed for so long on the dbzer0 instance they had at least tacit approval from the admins there and were in communication with them enough that a full ban wouldn't occur -- when I saw the removal in the modlog I didn't even consider that possibility.~~

~~Sorry for kicking up drama here if the Lemmy.World team had no part in this :(~~

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

When you check the mod logs and filter by mod you can see that it came from Mr. Kaplan which is a lemmy.world admin.

So yes it was a lemmy.world decision. The question is whether or not this admin was a lone actor.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Here is the modlog: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity

Seems to have been made by a mod from LW indeed

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago

Sigh... if "indirectly linking" is prohibited then literally the entire web breaks.

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