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Ok, as a user on lemmy.ml, I'm pretty sure none, or close to, of my posts and comments are being federated. (lemmy.ml)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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I've been monitoring, checking whether my posts or comments appear on external instances, including mastodon, and it doesn't seem to be happening.

See a prior post of mine where I provided some specific examples: https://lemmy.ml/post/1310621

But generally, it seems you could go through my profile and check any post/comment to an external community.

Obviously this is frustrating to me as a user.

But big picture here is whether this is a generally problem for lemmy.ml as a whole. Other instances seem to be federating just fine, but perhaps something has gone wrong with this server or there's a bug that has been tripped here that might occur on other instances too.

Edit thanks for all the replies and confirmations of federation working!! Really! Polite and helpful, wonderful to see … hope I didn’t come off as whiny in this post.

I still think there are problems and maybe things getting lost.

Eg: a post on which I commented, viewed on lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/post/1361008, and the posts original location on beehaw https://beehaw.org/post/639764. Mine is the oldest so sorting by old should show it, or in the case of beehaw, not. And just to clarify, lemmy.ml and beehaw still federate.

EDIT2 Did another test, commenting on an external post and it went through immediately. So it seems the issue is intermittent, as other comments have testified. Still might be a problem worth addressing.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Weird stuff is happening with Federation. I was in a huge discussion on a post with over 500 comments, as a kbin user talking primarily to Lemmy users. Since I'm still evaluating Lemmy vs kbin, I decided to go see what they thread looked like from a Lemmy users perspective since it was fairly large. I happen to already have an account on the instance this big conversation was happening on. I cannot find it. I sorted by Hot, Active, even sorted by Comments since it had so many. It's simply not there. And yet, I can see it via kbin, and plenty of Lemmy people can see it because we all commented on it all day yesterday. But the instance that actually hosts the community it all happened on doesn't show the post at all.

Strange things are afoot in the Fediverse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yea ... AFAIU, each community is duplicated or mirrored on every instance that has at least one subscriber. And that mirror can function on its own, even once federation ceases. For instance, in the case of the beehaw defederation with lemmy.world, there were people on lemmy.world who thought that it didn't affect anything because the beehaw communities they had subscribed to were still there and functioning. In reality, the beehaw communities on lemmy.world were orphaned and only worked for lemmy.world users, as it couldn't sync with its original or main duplicate on beehaw.

What you describe though sounds more funky. I would be surprised if duplicates of a community can sync with each other without going through the original/main community. But that seems to be what you story implies ... interesting!

Any link to the community or clue on how to find the post?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This thread has huge ham radio vibes and I love it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have noticed on other instances also that same thing happening I think its a delay in federation

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I can see your post from lemmy.wtf :)

Because of the huge influx of new users (and bugs), federation will sometimes lag behind.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm seeing this comment organically (I e. Not via your profile) fine on Lemmy.fmhy.ml.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From all the comments, it proves otherwise. If you are on Mastodon try to search your lemmy @username@server there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, it proves that federation is happening. Which is great.

But it doesn’t mean that federation problems are not also occurring. I just checked one of my comments to a beehaw post 2 days ago, and it still doesn’t appear there. Things can get lost if federation goes bad, from what I’ve seen.

Also, maybe I’ve been impatient on some instances.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm seeing your post via kbin.social.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Actually it's the top of my kbin.social right now!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not specific to lemmy.ml, I have both a beehaw and kbin account and by looking at threads from both sides I've noticed that sometimes I don't see replies to comments on kbin, it's like not everything gets synced properly every time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yea, I suspect that this is closer to the mark. It’s not a universal lack of feeerstion, but a bug that turns up from time to time.

In my experience so far, it’s happening with beehaw and startrek.website.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You're showing up on my personal instance.

Things do sometimes take a bit to come across, and I tend to get a bunch of posts from a single instance come in at one. It does make a bit of a pain at times as I won't see anything at all from an instance, then my front page fills up with nothing but posts from one community within an instance (that's how I came across this thread).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Something we will need to adapt to is potential latency between posting something on one instance and it propagating across other instances.

Usenet had similar issues back in the day, where it took some time for the nntp servers to send batches of posts to each other, then pass them along to the next server.

[–] V0lD 2 points 1 year ago

Programming.dev seeing you just fine

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

So it seems the issue is intermittent, as other comments have testified. Still might be a problem worth addressing.

But it is a real issue. The regular 'nginx 500' errors on lemmy.ml and other instances are a problem that is impacting federaton, not just webapp clients.

See open bug reports: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3203 and https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3101

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I noticed this yesterday as well. Made a post from lemmy.ca to lemmy.world I saw on lemmy.ca my post had about 100 upvotes and a bunch of comments.

Hopped into kbin because everyone kept raving about it, so my post with like 160 upvotes and way more comments.

Kept hopping back and forth between instances trying to reply to comments that would only appear on Kbin.

So I created an account on Kbin with the same username so I could reply to comments that didn't appear on lemmy.ca.

Kbin.social is definitely the most polished instance right now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I can see your post from my instance, so I think they are fine...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

lemmy.one reading you loud and clear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm reading your post from my account at feddit.de. So there's that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Jup, Same here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I can see this from dormi.zone

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hello from beehaw

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought beehaw defederated? Confused

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

They defederated from shitjustworks and Lemmy.world. They left .ml federated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see your post from kbin.social (which isn't even a Lemmy instance)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Also on kbin.social, can confirm it's visible

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm on lemmy.world and see your post just fine, with all its comments.

I also went directly to lemmy.ml to check and I don't see differences from what I see on lemmy.world, maybe it's just a delay on federation? Accessing lemmy.ml sometimes give a bad gateway error.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I saw you from Aussie.world

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just seen your post from feddit.uk :) I do agree though, I have an account on feddit and on lemmy.world and when I view the same communities from both accounts I see a totally different number of comments or no comments at all / some posts don't show up / whatever. There's definitely some issues going on here and there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This. I’m commenting from rblind.com, and yours is the only comment I’m seeing, pun not intended. I hadn’t really noticed this until now, I just assumed Lemmy wasn’t all that popular yet. I’m guessing I’d see no comments whatsoever if I wasn’t subscribed to communities on feddit.uk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Things are definitely a bit wonky. Between federation issues and the fact that the language settings are so convoluted I'm surprised anyone is seeing anything!