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US consumers remain unimpressed with this progress, however, because they remember what they were paying for things pre-pandemic. Used car prices are 34% higher, food prices are 26% higher and rent prices are 22% higher than in January 2020, according to our calculations using PCE data.

While these are some of the more extreme examples of recent price increases, the average basket of goods and services that most Americans buy in any given month is 17% more expensive than four years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 143 points 7 months ago (16 children)

If you want to know why Americans are bummed out about their purchasing power, just look at this chart about how wages abruptly stopped increasing with productivity 45 years ago. People are accomplishing more than ever before in history and being left with less buying power. In many cases wages don't even keep pace with inflation because companies pay based on what they can get away with, not what the work is worth.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

I could work two hours a day and still get all my tasks done. I could do that, go to my next job, and do another two hours of work and double my income. But because I have to have my butt in a chair in an office eight hours a day on the off chance my boss thinks of something additional for me to do, I'm stuck being four times more inefficient than I need to be.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

This is the answer. For 50 years now wages have remained stagnant while productivity has gone up through the roof. We are being robbed decade after decade, and by now claims of “strongest economy” feel like slaps in the face. Many of us are earning more than ever before, yes, but also have less purchasing power than ever before.

Remember that in the 1950s a high school grad could support a family of 4 with a house and car on a single income. That’s how much has been taken from us by the rich and corporations.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (36 children)

Alternate headline: “Why Humans Dislike Being Poor”

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ding ding ding. I have no idea where they're pulling these numbers from when my grocery bill has doubled since the pandemic. I wish it was only 26% higher.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I agree, anecdotally my wife and I spend roughly $200 a trip when we used to spend about $100. It may not be exactly double but it's very close.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Middle class is the new poor. Shit broke in the 70s and it ain’t likely to get fixed. Get used to it.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (13 children)

I'm not a R but the Democrats seriously need to stop pushing this shitty "economy is awesome" narrative. Because everytime someone hears it who isn't feeling the economy, it makes them hate the Democrats a little more. Staying home and not voting because your candidate has pissed you off, is just as bad.

For anyone who hasn't recieved a 20% pay increase, the economy is not good. In fact you'd need about a 35% to 50% pay increase to be feeling the same as you did pre pandemic. If you job hopped during the super awesome fun times of Covid hiring and got a boost in salary, then yeah you're new salary offset by new higher prices makes the economy feel better than it was.

But if you're the majority of people who did not get 50% adjustments, you are having a bad time. You are factually worse off financially than you were.

The idea of blaming who or what made the bad economy is a lost game. Bush tanked the economy, Obama got the blame. Trump tanked the economy, Biden got the blame. But just because Biden didn't tank it, doesn't mean it isn't tanked.

There is nobody, not a single person, I know of that is doing better today than 2020.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

It's the gaslighting that's pissing people off. "The economy is great!" ... "For who?!"

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, y'know, just kinda bummed out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Bit mitted about it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Because capitalism inherently brings corruption, and when a bubble bursts the fever goes down and we think things are OK... until the next bubble

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The bubble will burst eventually, it's just a matter of when. Unfortunately it's not next week.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My rent is 93% higher than it was in 2019

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

80% higher for me. It went up 29% from November alone

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yea, most of these estimates I've seen are wildly understanding the increased costs of everything.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

the average basket of goods and services that most Americans buy in any given month is 17% more expensive than four years ago.

That’s 4% per year

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And now much has pay gone up?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They claim it's gone up more than that, but I'm very curious where they're getting these numbers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Here's US bureau of labor statistics:

https://www.bls.gov/charts/usual-weekly-earnings/usual-weekly-earnings-over-time-total-men-women.htm#

Pay went up faster than inflation compared to before the pandemic

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

That graph shows real wages as being flat for the last 24 years, and even the bump you mentioned was barely noticable and fell back to baseline in like a year.

What would the chart look like when we exclude billionaires, C-suite executives, and everyone else who gets paid to own stuff instead of working for a living?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

This was at my grocery store the other day in the LA area.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's literally just wheat meal with honey, it costs literally 12 cents a box to make.

The packaging is more expensive.

But capitalism says 'lol it's ok to charge whatever!'.

And 1/3 of the internet will defend them for 'reasons'.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Where did you get "it costs literally 12 cents a box"? Is that a random number for effect or do you have some insider knowledge and know that for sure?

Either way is fine with me, just curious because it seems like a very small amount after paying for the raw materials, the workers wages, the shipping costs, and the grocery store overhead, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

bummed out just seems like a wildly inappropriate phrase for this topic

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

Well that 1% guy wasn't joking when he said "You will own nothing and be happy." Except for the "you will be happy" part. They're doing this to us on purpose and they have their reasons.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Used car prices are 34% higher

My understanding is that that is specifically due to chip shortages in the auto industry during COVID-19. New car production fell off, so used cars acted as a partial substitute, which drove up used car prices.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (7 children)

There’s also the disconnect of what is being made by manufacturers versus what many people want. An overpriced and massive luxury SUV has never appealed to me, yet that is basically the primary vehicle being made. I could buy a new car if I wanted to, all 3 of mine are paid off but there isn’t a single new car being made that I want to drive more than my 2017 Ford Focus. If it was totaled tomorrow I would absolutely pay a premium to get it replaced rather than buy something new. When supply is low prices come up and used cars are a commodity that is desirable to many and not available from current manufacturers. 5000 lb EVs just do not appeal to me in any way.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

The chip shortage is the auto industry own fault. Historically auto manufactures used older prosses nodes (40nm) as it was cheap and widely available however that node they are on is now outdated to the point where there's not that many fabs manufacturing that size of chips anymore.

To make things worse the silicon industry moved to a larger wafer design which would require the auto industry to invest in new hardware to support the larger wafer and redesign/validate the ICs for the smaller node all of which requires spending money they won't see a return in for a significant amount of time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Manufacturers also cut production in march of 2020, stating that it was for worker safety. However, I believe it was because they figured sales would plummet if the pandemic was very bad. I assume their projections for death were much higher than in actuality. With COVID mainly affecting older people they did lose a large amount of new vehicle buyers as older people are much more likely to buy a new vehicle. When they shut down production, it had hysteretic effects down the supply chain due to jit (just in time) manufacturing. Without orders, may suppliers also had to cut production of vehicle parts, especially chip manufacturers, which are mainly in China. When vehicle production started back up, suppliers had to also catch up with demand.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is it because of the economy? That's my first guess.

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