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Rendering Tr as Chr ? (lemm.ee)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Huh! In my speech, the Tr in "tree" or "trigger" is really close to Chr as in "chree". In fact to pronounce "chree" I have to aspirate so hard to distinguish it from /tr/.

Is this common? [ˈt͡ʃɹi:] instead of [ˈtɹi:]? Why does this happen? Is there something about going from a plosive to an approximant that creates an affricate?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ayy, I knew Dr. Geoff Lindsey had made a video about this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2X1pKEHIYw

Long story short, yes, this is a very common way to pronounce the clusters /tr/ and /dr/. The reason why is that alveolar /t/ and /d/ tend to get retracted before postalveolar /r/ so that everything's in the same place of articulation; then because these retracted /ṯ/ and /ḏ/ sounds end up sounding like they're sort of "in between" alveolar /t/ and postalveolar /t͡ʃ/, many speakers will end up hearing them as /t͡ʃ/ and /d͡ʒ/.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Thank you, this video was a jream