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Trans youth will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers, NHS England says (www.thepinknews.com)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Go check the UnitedKingdom subreddit if you want to see the celebratory bloodlust of the average Briton, the blatant alternative truths and so on, and this is of the young progressive sort, the average 40+ boomeroid probably no longer bothers with that mask even.

I am so tired. I've fought the good fight for so long for my people but in the end it's like it was all pointless.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Go check the UnitedKingdom subreddit if you want to see the celebratory bloodlust of the average Briton

urgh, remind me to never follow that advise again. What a bunch of hateful, clueless assholes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are they real though, or bots? It's increasingly difficult to tell these days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

As much as I'd like to think they are all Ivans and Vlads from Kamchatka doing this for 50 kopecks, I feel like there can't be that many and with such authenticity, dedicated so hard to that sub.

Like how important is demoralising the already inactive disengaged progresvives really to political power and who has so much time and resources?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

The one thing AI LLMs seem to be actually quite good at is generating lots of quite 'real'/'genuine' sounding comments and replies, so it really could be bots. It probably doesn't actually take that much effort either in relative terms, if you decide you want to AstroTurf an online space.

It's a shame because it could basically kill discussion on the internet as we know it. It's mad to think it, but in a few years we could be telling younger generations of a time when we wrote words to each other online and it was reasonable to assume that we were talking to a real person...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

As MLK stated "The moral arc of the universe is long but bends towards justice " stay fighting for good!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

An arc so long it looks flat I guess...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

That's a perspective... zoom out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

There’s been a noticeable shift on r/UnitedKingdom since around the time of the Reddit protests. I no longer participate there but I’ve seen quite a bit of extra unpleasantness the few times of taken a curious look at it.

Not that it was ever a great place to discuss trans issues, but the nastiness seems to be spreading to all manner of topics now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

There may have been an organized effort by the far right to take over various national subreddits. It gives the impression that their views are overwhelmingly popular in the country, when really they're not. The subreddit /r/Canada also got dominated by the far right, which led to the creation of /r/onguardforthee. At least one of the mods of /r/Canada was shown to be an active neo-Nazi, and another declared himself a white supremacist. There is still too much support for the far right in Canada (and we're looking at a big lurch to the right in the next election), but it's not as dominant as you'd think from that subreddit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tbf, leftists did this also. r/northernireland had a big bunch of American IRA larpers who never set foot in the country, and edgy youth from the Republic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

r/Canada is very similar

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

There’s always been that undercurrent of hate. The first few comments on any immigration story was enough to see that.

But yeah, I think the demographic did shift a bit in the last year or so

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Haven't they always been like that?

r/GreenAndPleasant split off from them for a reason

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

A big FUCK YOU to all Tories, Terfs and similar asshats.

Edit: I'll donate money to Gender GP even harder from now on.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All 83 of them?

Really that is the total for the entire country. Ya, it's a "serious" problem. .... Sure

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I think they were hoping to make more

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not particularly well educated on the subject but according to the BBC:

Fewer than 100 young people in England are currently prescribed puberty blockers by the NHS. They will all able to continue their treatment.

So why such a big fuss?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Blocks any future access to trans kids

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Can puberty blocking be reversed at a later date?

Or can blocked puberty be reverted later?

I could agree with a ban whole heatedly if blocking can't be reversed and blocked cannot be reverted, but I would likely to oppose a ban it if blocking can be reversed and blocked could be reverted.

Gets a little fuzzy if it's one or the other though.

Wouldn't want someone to miss their only chance to block puberty, but also wouldn't want someone to make a permanent choice at 13-14 which can't be reversed if they want to later on.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

puberty blockers are used explicitly to delay having to go through puberty. they are used for kids who have precocious puberty (puberty that starts too early), as well as for trans kids. there are some marginal risks associated with them, you might grow a bit shorter, or just generally develop differently that you might have if you had allowed puberty to progress on time, but there aren't specific health challenges people who use them face. the reason you take them is to explicitly prevent somebody from going through irreversible changes they might not like before they can make an informed decision, or before it is healthy for those changes to occur.

interestingly, most of the poor health outcomes of precocious puberty are psychological and social, not physical, which is, i think, an interesting parallel to the trans experience.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

You just stop taking them, and your body will start going through puberty. Like the other response said, they're used for cis children as well when they start too early for their body to be able to handle. As with any medicine there can be side effects.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

When you stop taking them you go through puberty like normal. The idea is to protect trans kids from the irreversible effects of going through the wrong puberty, but not cause any irreversible effects if they're one of the <1% that later turns out to not be trans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

You can't get any trans care that isn't reversible until you're an adult who can legally consent to it. Puberty blockers are reversible, you just stop taking them and go through puberty. This change is completely anti-scientific and pro-bigotry. It's indefensible.

[–] Lmaydev 3 points 8 months ago

When you stop taking them puberty continues as normal.

We've been using them for a long time on people who start puberty too early. And know they are effective and safe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Glyndŵr, os ydych wedi gorffen cael te yn y bryniau hynny, gallem ddefnyddio llaw.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Scientist have collected all the data and decided the experts on Lemmy are wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Complete miss characterisation. It is lack of data the NHS is arguing with. Not scientific evidence.

The article is bluntly stating that the NHS has made this choice because no evidence of the long term safty exists. Not because scientists say it is unsafe.

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