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[–] [email protected] 67 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You know what, let's do it. These fuckers apparently need a reminder that the alternative to unions and the NLRB is sabotage, riots, bombings and murders.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Will i just put my murdering boots away but i guess i could break em back out.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Only now, the police are armed with tanks. I don't think this will end well...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The only thing the tanks will do is to make everything bloodier than it needs to be. Factories can’t factory if they don’t have workers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not if companies get their way with replacing humans with AI and automation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Frankly, that’s is absolutely not happening anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They’ll find that most of the peeps keeping the automation from turning itself inside out are also workers, and currently not amused in many cases.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can’t violence your way into efficient human labor without repealing the 13th Amendment.

Let’s see if the SCOTUS says that the slavery clause only applies to individual people that congress specifically designates as free, a la the wholly made up rules on the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'd like to agree with you, but I'd like to note that the 13th amendment of the US constitution specifically states slavery is allowed as a punishment for a crime.

So all you need to do is manufacture laws which make something common criminal and put heavy sanctions on it.

Like say... draconian drug laws around cannabis, or making abortion carry the same sentences as murder. Criminalising trans healthcare. Three strike laws in which you can sentence someone to prison for life for stealing $14.

https://law.utexas.edu/humanrights/projects/legalized-slavery-in-the-united-states-implemented-through-the-justice-system/

Thats how the US subsidises labour. Enslaved prisoners.

So you can violence your way into efficient human labour without repealing the 13th amendment. Perhaps there's a point at which it won't work anymore, but seems to have worked fine for the past 50-70 years or so

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I’d make the argument that slavery provides a higher quantity of workers, but since it’s against the workers’ wills, it is not as efficient (units of work per unit of time).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

They gonna shoot people when production goals aren't met? I work with several people who are really good at sandbagging and blaming the equipment.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 8 months ago

Upset by the surge in union drives ...

Poor babies. I've worked in a lot of places. I've never yet worked at, knew someone who worked at, or heard of a corporation that has a union that didn't "earn" the union by persistent and blatant worker abuse.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

unions are a band aid solution to capitalism.

Law of the jungle, Eat the rich.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Sooo, they want the crazy apes with opposable thumbs and the ability to persistence hunt any animal alive to band together and hunt them until they run over a cliff?

Because that sounds like a good plan at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

In the country where pretty much anyone can legally purchase a firearm, as well. This will end well, surely.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Guess Starbucks ditched the "woke" mask altogether, since people saw it slipping and noticed their product is subpar, too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Let's stand together for everyones rights! unless it hurts our bottom line of course...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They want us to beat them to death with coconuts?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Learn to read.

The jungle is a book.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I can see the confusing jungle law like frontier justice is a term used for the lawlessness of the wilderness. If tiger is hungry and can overpower you, tiger eats you.

In this case, the labor force rises up like zombies and tears upper management apart, or feeds them into the machines, or beats them with big wrenches, if history tells. They may put it off by hiring strikebusters and police with dogs. The bloodier it starts, the bigger the fire.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago

“We’ll have the law of the jungle, the law of the streets,” King said. “It will be who has the most power. It’s potential for chaos.”

So the Supreme Court is definitely going to be in favor of this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Lmao ok, hold on, let’s pump the brakes. Do you really want to go there, captains of industry? Because I really don’t think you want to go there.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Someone should just redacted musk already

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

"Law of the jungle" you mean, like in places where the law isn't enforced and rich people just cruising by can be randomly mugged and shot by gangs?

Aaaaah, lol no they won't be the cartel leaders in this analogy, corporations would be the pray to people desperate and with nothing to lose.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Back in Lincoln's day, the Republicans really were about 'trickle up' economics. Henry Ford paid people enough to buy his cars. Now it's "I can pay half the working class to kill the other half."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Henry Ford did that as a business decision. He didn't care about the workers.

He did it because people were quitting after working only a short time. Remember he didn't invent the car, he invented the assembly line. Working hard wasn't new. Working in a factory wasn't new. But doing boring monotonous work was new.

I believe he also demanded that workers not drink during their time off, or other similar restrictions on private life. It was a well paying job, but it demanded a lot. He wasn't doing it out of the goodness of his heart.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I wasn't trying to present Ford as a hero of the working man. I was trying to show that Ford understood that workers are a resource, not a burden.

You're right about him not wanting workers drinking. Two stories I've heard. The first is that he helped create Prohibition because he thought banning liquor would stop people from drinking. The other is that he helped start a lot of small banks. Workers were taking their paychecks to bars and getting them cashed there. When the bars closed, the workers needed a new place to get their money,

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Welcome to the Jungle intensifies