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They did not provide a reason. There was no further dialog. I just got a system message telling me I was removed.

I was also silmultaniously shadow banned from Reddit and my posts and comments stopped showing up. I had created a post complaining about being removed as the moderator (the only moderator for over a decade) of a sub that I built from the ground up and donated literally thousands of volunteer hour to over the last 14 years. It had zero upvotes or downvotes or comments and was not visable as an anon user.

In the end, I decided to rip the bandaid off and killed my 16.5 year account. I was one of the early supporters of Reddit (user #7758) and had left Digg for good in May of 2007 after the AAC contraversy. They showed their authoritarian side in that moment and I knew Digg had reached their high water mark.

Reddit is at that moment now. They won't be dead tomorrow. They won't be dead next week. However, it will also never be the same, and it's only downhill from here.

Much like Digg. Much like Myspace. I am sure there will be a blurb a few years from now as an addendum in some business journal how Reddit sold to a third party for an undisclosed sum and some Skittles...

The future is the Fediverse and I'm glad I was forced to remove my Reddit crutch and dive in full force.

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[–] [email protected] 203 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This should be a lesson to all remaining mods to stop putting their effort into that site. Reddit doesn’t care about who helped build it. They only care about making money for themselves.

What a shitty way to remove you. Completely uncalled for.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Mods should quit moderating altogether IMO, more than 20 thousands participated in the protest, there's no way they could replace them all in a reasonable time-frame, it would be a much better chaos than the blackout.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I get that they must be very passionate to what they do for free, but to keep putting energy into a place where they have been shown to be considered expendable seems difficult to find the motivation. Don't seem worth it to me unless the organization they volunteer for is supportive. People quit for less for paying jobs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe, for maximum damage, they should save this mass resignation for when the IPO happens, just to screw Reddit's admins. In the meantime, the mods should promote Reddit alternatives in the subs. Nothing too explicit, but some links being mentioned in sticky posts/comments should suffice.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There does not seem to be a celebrities magazine here yet. You could make one and become a mod of it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you make your own magazine

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Click the plus icon to the left of your username at the top right corner of the screen . Last option on the drop-down menu is “create new magazine”.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the fact it's called a magazine here is perfect for this

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sounds like a very good idea. The work must carry on!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I don't know if you need to hear this or not; but you also don't have to donate your time to anything for free anymore. Nobody would blame you for throwing in the towel (if you feel you need to, that is)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Where can I find out what a magazine is on here? New to Lemmy. Is that like a subreddit?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It is! Magazines are a feature in kbin, and Lemmy calls this sort of thing a Community. You’re seeing the kbin terminology here because this thread started on kbin.social. If you pay attention to URLs, that’s also why it’s /c/subredditname on Lemmy and /m/subredditname on kbin.

The other major difference with kbin magazines is that you can configure them to pick up content from Mastodon using a hashtag, and it will show it in threaded format in a separate area of the magazine that’s easy to get to. It’s great for news, giving people an outlet for self-promotion without cluttering discussion, or helping get a magazine started if the topic is popular.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

magazine = community = subreddit

Magazine is the term used for kbin.social users like @[email protected] who is a Kbin user. In Lemmy they are called communities.

You can do a search on your local instance like:

https://lemmy.world/communities

or use a community browser like:

https://browse.feddit.de/

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your effort building a community on Reddit. It gave a lot of people enjoyment. I'm sorry that Reddit didn't treat you better.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm really sorry to hear that they did this to you. I went through something similar, but only as a poster.

There was a really famous Usenet poster called Humdog who, back in 1994, wrote a brilliant essay called Pandora's Vox: On Community in Cyberspace. It talks of how cyberspace, instead of doing away with hierarchy and creating equality, actually commodifies its users and transfers power to large corporations.

cyberspace is a mostly a silent place. in its silence it shows itself to be an expression of the mass. one might question the idea of silence in a place where millions of user-ids parade around like angels of light, looking to see whom they might, so to speak, consume. the silence is nonetheless present and it is most present, paradoxically at the moment that the user-id speaks. when the user-id posts to a board, it does so while dwelling within an illusion that no one is present. language in cyberspace is a frozen landscape.

i have seen many people spill their guts on-line, and i did so myself until, at last, i began to see that i had commodified myself. commodification means that you turn something into a product which has a money-value. in the nineteenth century, commodities were made in factories, which karl marx called “the means of production.” capitalists were people who owned the means of production, and the commodities were made by workers who were mostly exploited. i created my interior thoughts as a means of production for the corporation that owned the board i was posting to, and that commodity was being sold to other commodity/consumer entities as entertainment. that means that i sold my soul like a tennis shoe and i derived no profit from the sale of my soul. people who post frequently on boards appear to know that they are factory equipment and tennis shoes, and sometimes trade sends and email about how their contributions are not appreciated by management.

You can read it all here:
https://archive.org/details/pandoras-vox-on-community-in-cyberspace-by-humdog-1994
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_Hermosillo

It really does show that none of this is new. It's what the internet really always has been.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Great perspective and a fanstastic way of seeing how we should view our participation in all this internet activity

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

A very good read and quite prescient.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@PippinVanderspiegel @vaprz I'd dispute that he gained nothing from "the sale of his soul". We all get something out of posting online, even if we're not paid for it. Money isn't the only thing of value one can receive. I greatly value the discussions I've had over the years and the knowledge I've gained from anonymous posters contributions. I don't think I'd even have the job I have today without online exchanges between people looking for and giving out helpful information.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's a fair point but, I think, misses the gist of her argument. Humdog was super famous back in the 90s as a prolific online poster. Her entire life was pretty much online at a time when that was highly unusual. Keeping in mind that this was back in 1994 (so one year after the World Wide Web came into existence) and the prevailing attitude of most people back then was that the internet was a great leveller that would remove hierarchy from society and give power to the individual.

Her point was simply that the nature of posting on a large corporation's computer network actually gave more power to these companies than to the user. She wasn't saying that posting online was pointless or valueless.

She was pretty much the first person to ever say this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@PippinVanderspiegel @vaprz

This is completely tangential, but it's pretty wild that I could reply to your comment by simply pasting the link into Mastodon. No account creation on a Kbin instance required.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I can't imagine how it feels to put so many hours into building a thriving community just to have it thanklessly ripped from your hands.

As an 12 year reddit user who almost never posted or commented, thank you for all of the hard work you and others like you put in to make reddit as great as it was.

Hopefully fediverse will prove more resistant to greedy corporate interests in the years to come. I'm looking forward to building this new community with all of you!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s just insane. Even if the content is good.. I’m just not sure I could justify going back to a place like that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yup. any site that treats their userbase and mods that way isn't worth using. Mods and users put in countless hours to make that site a better place, and this is how Spez treats us. Fuck that. Fuck spez. Fuck reddit

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

I'm so sorry. It's a real loss of something you valued and took pride in. It's also a loss of community. Be kind to yourself while you mourn the loss. (We're all feeling it to some degree.) But you have a fresh, new community right here for you.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you're the sole-mod of a sub - always add like 4 of your own alt-accounts as mods below you

I was added as a mod to one sub without sub-settings permissions and the main mod account was deleted, so I deleted all the posts and stickied a text-comment saying 2023 blackout, message mods to join private community hehe~

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Damn. That's brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Welcome aboard! Glad to have you here!

Also, eff spez!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, eff spez!

Whoa, there! Language!

Try this instead: Fuuuuuuuuuuck Spez. Fuuuuuuuck Steve Huffman. Fuuuuuuuuuck that vile sociopath.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you talking about Steve The Pigboy Huffman? That Steve Huffman?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I like to believe that spez has a room, down in his bunker, that is full to the tits with freeze dried dicks. Just bag after bag jammed in there so tight that the door pops open and they spill out. The door is probably labeled “Steve’s Num-Nums.”

And every night, spez sneaks down there to eat a bag of freeze dried dicks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe about Steve Jailbait Huffman

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Already full at work building something better, so happy to have another experienced power user among our ranks!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

At least we have something better now... Kbin seems to be better all around, with a great pwa for phone, no need for Reddit's crap.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Reddit won't die in a big catastrophic Digg moment, that was a rare event that doesn't usually happen so blatantly.

However, Reddit has reached its high water mark though, I absolutely agree. It'll slowly continue to bleed good, contributing power users like yourself in favor of becoming an algorithm-run mass-appeal corporate shit hole just like Facebook. It is very sad to see moderators like yourself being treated so poorly though and I hope you stick around here at least somewhat even if it's just for your own sanity.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Damn, that's extremely shitty and I agree that someday we will see the ashes of reddit being scattered in the digital wind

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Terrible mate, it sucks that you got the shit end of the stick. Reddit admins are putting the squeeze on heaps of mods, they're not interested in resolving any issues, just silencing opposition.

It's a shame that something you put that much time and effort in has all of a sudden vanished, hopefully you find a new home / community here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

@vaprz Sorry this happened to you. I'm not surprised. Mods are going to be thrown over the side at an accelerating rate IMO. The protest is indeed hurting F u/spez otherwise he wouldn't have to do this. My opinion is that he will do whatever it takes to try to get his numbers back up and his ability to sell Reddit and buy his island depends on it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I'm glad a good experienced mod has come over from reddit. Having good content providers here will help speed reddits demise.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I'm so sorry for what they did. I hope you can feel at home on the Fediverse. Starting over sucks so bad, but I'm sure you will find awesome people here. Heck probably the same awesome people as there!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a mod myself, I can really understand the pain of dedicating so much effort into building a community, all the fights with the mod queue to make sure it stays good for the users, only for Reddit to absolute discard you. I'm sorry.

Which is why I've been trying to advise other moderators still there to give up on this idea of "half-compromise on the protest" to avoid being removed. Reddit will claim all the communities for themselves, regardless if your users voted in favor of John Oliver. If not today, as soon as the dust calms down a bit. The ideal course of action is migrating as soon as possible, and using the last few days as mods to migrate the users in a more direct way.

We translated Reddit. We created the mod tools, the bots, the documentation, the wikis, we removed the endless spam, the trolls, the dangerous links we had to open while in the bus or the doctor's office. I get it. But don't lose your sleep over Reddit - let they collapse. Consider using your experience to rebuild here, once you rest your mind a bit from all this - at least with Lemmy, you know if your efforts succeed no CEO can steal them later.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I really hope the decline clearly shows before Reddits IPO. If Spqz and co. are allowed to profit from this, then the future looks bleak...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The tonedeafness of this C-suite is remarkable. And like twitter, I'm stunned at how quickly they are steering the clown car off the cliff.

I liked twitter, despite its flaws. I liked reddit too--some of it was a swamp, but you could have your little island and mostly be ok. Like most tools they could be used for good or bad, and you could focus on the good.

But they flushed all of the good. What a really stupid plan.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

You add years upon years of value, get nothing more than a sense of fulfillment while they get paid, and get booted out.

I’m sorry, man. That has to sting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Friend, is there any truth to the rumours of a lawsuit from current and former mods against Reddit, for back pay? I'm pretty convinced there's a case there, and your story is a prime example. One argument from Reddit might be that you and the community were the primary beneficiaries of your volunteer labour, but for Reddit to take your mod powers unilaterally sure makes them look like an employer rather than a maintainer of a public forum.

In the US, there are no circumstances under which a private for-profit company can legally accept volunteer labour like that. Further strengthening your case would be how much Facebook pays for moderation of their platform. Reddit built an entire business on the backs of people like you, and your stake in that should be recognised and compensated.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm sorry for what they put you through. I hope you find more joy here.

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