Reddit Migration

Whether or not it’s was a failure depends on what you expected from it. Reddit was not going to change its mind. The investors demand more money and will continue to squeeze Reddit for ever dime the can. It wasn’t going to die overnight either.

What did happen is a non-trivial amount of users left and found the Fediverse. Apps are currently being developed to make it more accessible to your average user. The Fediverse will no longer be some obscure thing for a niche group. I think it was a huge success and will have long term repercussions for Reddit.

It obviously had an impact because reddit wouldn't have taken such draconian action in response. Reddit admins have been forced to show their ass to the public, and many people who previously had positive or neutral opinions of Steve Huffman & co. have now seen what a manipulative, dishonest group they are. They are looking to harvest more user data at a point when no reasonable person would entrust them with this data. They are looking to expand advertising at a point when a significant number of users have either jumped ship or are remaining behind only to actively sabotage the site. More and more people have come to understand that migrating to the fediverse is no big hurdle.

Of course reddit will pay certain outlets to report that the protest has been a failure, but to me it looks like it has been a great success. We knew reddit wouldn't reverse its decision, and we knew it wouldn't just disappear (Digg is still around ffs), but a lot of people have seen that ... reddit the web site never really meant that much to us.

Not to overstate the obvious, but this isn’t over yet, the third party apps are still operating. If news outlets were doing their job they would stick to the facts instead of making a judgment on the situation by declaring it a failure. The story is still developing and it’s only just beginning.

The news, despite our perception, has largely never been about speaking truth to the injustices around us. Both historically and now, its used largely as a veiled mouthpiece of the powerful around us who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. The examples that we think of when groundbreaking journalism comes to mind are almost always the exception and often end poorly for the brave who bring them to light.

Over the past 5 years this has become even more salient to me. I've been to protests and the coverage will produce an entirely different picture that gets presented to those not in attendance. There were protests in my city during the party primary debates and the footage was edited to make crowds look smaller and in the case of our DSA chapter, they cut to a different camera anytime they were about to be in frame.

Trying not be be tin foil hatty there, but was at the marches and then watched all the different feeds. Calling something so obviously curated "news" feels like the information dystopia has been here much longer than we give it credit.

It didn't fail, r/all is a shit show right now. Or, it's a porn show. Porn is all over r/all, r/popular is getting hit by it. F-u/spez made front page porn popular again. A lot of the porn pages have switched to other things; only fans being only fans, literally. Etc. you get the idea. I cannot imagine the board is happy.

I think it was a success no matter how mainstream news outlets or Reddit want to spin it.

The mods of subreddits very cleverly pointed out that the direction Reddit is heading in stinks and even all the masses who don't care about it still got the message though being inconvenienced by not having access to their favorite echo chamber for a few days. Just look at all the comments on "should we open up" posts from pissed off mouth breathers basically demanding they return things to normal.

At the end of the day, of cause Reddit was going to force mods to open up their subs or remove them. The mods never really had any power in the situation anyway and the precedent of Reddit just taking over subs was already well established. If Lemmy or Kbin was another 5+ years in development with a couple of much larger communities already well established then the exodus might have approached Digg levels again, but the lack of easy mainstream alternatives means that Reddit was always going to get its way eventually.

A couple of weeks ago, I realized how things were likely to play out, and that I'd end up leaving Reddit. I wasn't looking forward to it, but I knew it would be necessary. The shitty way spez has handled things turned me from a reluctant ship-jumper into an enthusiastic one.

It's going to be rough in a few weeks when even more Redditors jump ship, but we'll get through the chaos.

Idc what happens tbh. I mean I care, in that I want everyone to feel the joy I have felt here, but most people aren't like that. And tbh, I really like that this space is still community vibing. It's something that I have personally been looking for, without even knowing it.

I'm curious where this goes, and how reddit and it's users perform once the 30th comes and down the line.

I went over and dropped a couple comments about my feelings and left. Maybe someone will follow.

I am not going back after june30, Reddit ceo behaviour is something people should go against, even if it’s Apple i would dump them all and make the switch
Especially since Reddit is user generated content there’s no point to stick to it regardless

Those mods who are helping in needs should make extra effort to help user transition out of Reddit too, those who could help should also

It’s user generated content for Christ sake!

I have a few thoughts on the situation:

1. The 'Oh we're protesting with a two-day blackout' was the wrong way to go about the announcement since all that says, as has been pointed out, is 'see you Monday then.' Yet it wasn't just a two-day protest. Some came back but many didn't.

2. The News, be it outlets or people like Rossman, want grand gestures. They want Results. Having people trickle leave isn't dramatic, and it's hard to keep track of especially if reports are true that deleted accounts are undeleted and posts are unscrambled for the sake of searchability. As of this writing my account is listed as deleted and posts I care to find are u/[deleted] but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. If that's happening then it's impossible to tell who's Quit quit, walked away, or deleted their accounts only for it to be undeleted.

While tinfoil; the undeleting of accounts would track for someone desperate just before an IPO.

1. The alternatives are still in their infancy, at least when it comes to lemmy, hive, and kbin. PHP forums never went away. Hell, Ye Olden BBS's didn't go away. However, there's no monolithic Giant emerging to come to eat Reddit's lunch. So it's easy to paint any dissent as ' Redditors are never happy.'

2. The stereotype of 'all Reddit mods are the same. cling to fake power and they all are neckbeard pear-shaped basement-dwellers who never bathe haha look at how pathetic they are.' That is seductive to fall into as a narrative because like it or not a LOT of people want someone they can kick down at. Mods flipping to back a fash like u/spez for the sake of fake power gives people someone they can point at. 'We didn't get results because of YOU.'

Yet these are the same people who are organizing malicious compliance reorganizations of subreddits and policies have changed. Mods have been told 'comply or be replaced.' We don't know if admins handed the old username over or not to both smear the outgoing mod and to preserve a false continuity or not. We only know some subs have unlocked after the gun got leveled at their heads.

As someone with a patchy at best history against authority in online communities my sympathies are actually with the mods. Unpaid, having to herd cats, get shit on from the userbase, shit on from on high, and without anything major and high profile? They're getting shit on by otherwise 'liked' personalities such as Rossman when they tend to be the people holding thigns together day to day.

1. This is not a game of instant results. Modern culture has shifted to NOW! NOW NOW NOW NOW! RESULTS NOW OR IT IS A FAILURE! This is a long game of bleeding reddit dry of relevance. Reddit won't be killed, but it will be a shell of itself and it won't be seen as The Place to go to for answers.

2. As others have stated, news outlets lie. They don't have a story here so they will make one. Protesters crushed. Who knew internet-addicted Millenials are too spineless to see things through. Millennials are killing protests. Etc etc. Boomers get to feel smug.

IMHO, it's still a success. Reddit's behavior has provided clear proof of the need for an alternative. Plenty have taken notice. The winds of change are blowing...and it is likely not in Reddit's favor in the long term.

Turning mods and power users off Reddit, even casual users who are getting tired of the disarray in their subscribed subreddits are unsubscribing - I definitely think it's having an impact.

Reddit will be less popular than Discord and Twitch but will not die. Use KBin and Lemmy.

I would like to point out that the Digg migration didn't happen overnight. It happened over the course of weeks and months, even though ten years later it feels like it happened overnight. There were plenty of people saying "fuck off, Digg is fine" after v4 launched.

The big thing that everyone should understand is that there seems to be no negotiation ... no middle ground ... either you stay on Reddit and you suck up all the advertising or you don't

I wasn't quite sure what to do and I drifted in and out of my account for a while and thought protesting, sharing memes or trying to circumvent rules or something ... then I just realized ... the worst thing anyone can do to a social media site is to simply just stop using it at all

Once you abandon Reddit, you've done the most damage you could possibly do

Social media is built on human participation ... of all kinds, positive, negative, hateful, loving, inclusive, exclusive ... it doesn't matter what the participation is, as long as you participate

So once you leave ... you've severed a section of the site to let it die ... if enough people do the same, the rot of users abandoning reddit will turn the site into an empty billion dollar shell that will quickly become worthless

Reddit admins made it perfectly clear they're not interested in feedback or compromises, they've quadrupled down on that point.

The way they handled this situation clearly shows their contempt for their user base, they want you to create as much content as possible and farm engagement so it looks good for their IPO.

The best thing people can do is either quit entirely and migrate to sites like this one or at the very minimum only use Reddit for lurking, don't post, don't upvote / downvote, simply cost them resources as that's how they see their user base, a bunch of parasites

I have always appreciated the work of the moderators because I prefer lively content without nastiness. A busy, well moderated forum can be a delight. When the mods in my favorite subreddits told us how hard their jobs would become, I knew what I had to do. I'm happy to find such a worthwhile (if yet young) place to land. By the end of the month I will have put Reddit behind me. They can succeed or fail without me. I suspect it will be somewhere in between. Actually, what I think is that it will become much nastier in many subreddits, and overall less worthwhile. I think individual subreddit rules will give way to mere reddit rules, where for instance a woman who posts pics in a sewing subreddit of herself in the dress she made may find herself subjected to sexual comments which would previously be subject to moderation.

Like others have said, I think whether the protests failed depends on what you wanted them to accomplish. Yes, Reddit is largely trying to ignore the protests and forging ahead with its changes. No, the site didn't collapse overnight like some were hoping. But the fediverse has gotten a big boost in both users and attention thanks to all this, so there is a silver lining even if the protest didn't get Reddit to reverse course. What happens in the long term is anyone's guess, but there are already growing communities here and it's not like this is going to be the last time Reddit is going to screw something up.

You know, I used to be that guy. spez looks cool. He's great. Reddit is one of the good guys, defenders of free speech. They do things better than other big tech - like if you get permabanned you can still log in and see your history, you can still download and save your content, not like when FB or Google kicks you out, etc etc.

But what the protests taught me is that, even this isn't good enough. Reddit's not one of the good guys. It was a hard lesson to learn, but one that I needed to learn.

Rather than being the exception, I'd guess that there are a lot more like me who have had their eyes open. And now open and looking for alternatives.