cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140
Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it's true
I'm a Leftist who isn't a Communist. There's lots of room on the Left.
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Really? I thought we progressives and light-socialists (demsoc or socdem) were really just alt-right and going up against the wall with the rest of them...
(yeah, sarcasm, but those are things people have literally said to my face)
Yes, lots of us live in reality and don't try and convince others a utopian society is in any way possible.
The Smurfs were communist... though to be fair there was only 100 of them, and they all had jobs, and enough resources to go around. That one female though...
In the lore she was created by Gargamel as a trap to lure the Smurf village.
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I support any country's right to not be conquered by capitalist, imperialist oligarchs whether I like their internal politics or not. I hate it when the US does it, so it would be hypocritical to not hate it when Russia does the same thing.
Yup, I was opposed to the U.S.'s imperialist war for oil in Iraq. Just like I oppose Russia's imperialist war for oil in Ukraine.
Russia is looking for oil? LOL WTF
Eastern Ukraine has a lot of natural gas, actually. Plus Ukraine has a lot of pipelines for getting that natural gas into the rest of Europe. Technically not oil, but one of the main objectives of the war was absolutely about controlling Europe's access to fossil fuels.
The shorter term goal is for Russian oligarchs to sell Europe gas via pipeline so their kids can get education in Europe.
Yup, my understanding is there is a lot of oil in Ukraine (I think donbas specifically but don't quote me on that). And arguably more importantly, a major pipeline runs through Ukraine. My understanding is the EU is currently very reliant on Russian oil and they would very much like to not be. Hence, why Ukrainian membership to NATO is so attractive.
I think a lot of people in the West dismiss Putin as a nutjob, but I think there is a rational reason for controlling Ukraine. Oil is Russia's largest export after all.
All of that isn't meant to excuse Russia; it's unethical to murder for oil. But it's intellectually lazy to dismiss a rational actor (albeit an unethical actor) as crazy. But capitalism gonna capitalism. And until we put an end to capitalism, people are going to continue to murder for money.
Is Russia not the supplier of oil for Europe anyway? They are just rerouting it via India, knowing well they cannot have any alternative. I do not see the motive to "invade" Ukraine for "oil". Russia is only fortifying Donbass as an independent state from Ukraine due to the horrors inflicted since 2014 US coup.
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I am hoping by "communists" you mean people who are aligned with marxism ideal, but not people supporting authoritarian capitalist regimes.
"USA Left" != "EU Left"
there are of course leftists like what you are thinking in the US but are a smaller or quieter group here due huge pushes the other way
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