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What are all of you insinuating in here? I always offer people that accuse me off wrongdoing Β£650,000 even tough I didn't do anything. It's nice to share with others. end sarcasm
I would guess it's a "prid pro quo" situation in all honesty, they where both grown adults and lead each other on. Wrong? Perhaps not. Innocent and not on the edge or extramarital? Absolutely not. Unlawful? Probably not.
Bury it and move on.
While it's suspect on the surface, offering a financial settlement is a very common tactic in regards to avoiding backlash, regardless of whether you are actually guilty or not. Now I'm not saying for a second that him being cleared must mean he is innocent, but the money being offered really isn't evidence of any guilt like you'd think it would be.
Yep. People tend to forget this a lot. Even if a story is entirely false, the damage it can do before anyone figures that out is usually far higher than whatever money they offer up front.
The woman rejecting it would be a very bizarre move if she knew she had no evidence, though.
Surely she, rightly or wrongly, thinks she has an ironclad case to turn down that amount of money?
Of course, that's assuming there was a shush money offer.
Possibly, but it's unlikely we will ever hear the facts of this case, I mean we still haven't had confirmation that the misconduct was even sexual in nature, it was first reported as him bullying a reporter if I'm not mistaken and without the facts we can't say what motivated her to reject the settlement offer.
Maybe I misread something, but wasn't the supposed 650k being made to stop ppl reporting on the matter rather directly to the aggrieved?
Did anyone actually confirm he offered 650K hush money or did it come from the same sources that have been proven wrong now?
All rumors from the Telegraaf as far as I can tell.
For those who don't know: the Telegraaf is a "newspaper" which is involved in a lot of gossip and right-wing fearmongering. Not as bad as British tabloids though. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/de-telegraaf/
No idea, could be total lies.
Sounds like the plaintiff's case was far from rock solid but RB/Horner realized it would create a lot of undesired attention once it hit the news (and it did) and tried to buy their way out of it.
I'm really curious as to what went down. Texts, remarks, touchy-feely in the office..
Oh well.. until something new surfaces, it's race week!
Yeah, in all honesty, unless he did something criminal (and even then dependent on what he actually did do) and was convicted for it I couldn't care less.
Who he sleeps with, spanks, share nudes with or get dominated by is pretty irrelevant to me.
Will be interesting to see if Newey cracked the code with pod less design.
Does this go towards the costs cap? Sorry Perez, no new frontwings for you, Horner has been horny again.
People here really seem to have wanted Horner to be cannoned for this.
I don't really get people still being convinced he's guilty and saying this is being brushed under the rug. Has it even been confirmed what he was accused of?
People read some unconfirmed gossip articles and think they know the guy and all the facts of the situation. Is there any evidence the independent investigation was a sham?
There's zero evidence that RB's investigation wasn't a proper one, no. Certainly not publicly at the very least.
But then again, RB's owners have done some... legally questionable things.
The Thai owner's son hit a police motorbike and dragged him over 100 metres along the road, killing him in a particularly gruesome way, while he was drink driving. He then fled the scene of the crime.
The family initially implied a driver hired by the family was driving, before it being discovered it was the owner's son/heir to RB.
The initial police investigation had to be disbanded because it was found they were attempting to cover up the crime.
The RB owner's son then fled the country, and the family lawyers kept telling the courts he was too poorly or busy with work to attend court.
Finally, after 5 years and lots of legal back and forth, the police put out an arrest warrant.
He still hasn't received any punishment for his crimes.
Obviously these are two very unrelated matters, and Horner should still be presumed innocent unless there's evidence to the contrary. My point is only that I don't find it implausible that the RB owners would brush bad shit under the rug or do something dishonest/legally questionable. They have form.
I was unaware of that RB family incident, it's definitely a shady and unfortunate situation. Although, as you pointed out it's not the same circumstances in this case. It's certainly reasonable to question RBs reaction though.
I just don't understand why people are so adamantly attached to their judgment of guilt. Essentially no info about this entire situation has been shared to form an informed opinion around.
Well... yeah? If he's guilty of course most would want him sacked for it
Sounds like you have some important information about the case. Maybe you should share with the proper authorities.
Well... yeah? If he's guilty of course most would want him sacked for it
Added emphasis because clearly you missed that very important word.
If he's guilty. If. I never claimed to have any insider knowledge at all, that's just a strawman you made up to get angry at.
Am I to assume if he's guilty you wouldn't want him sacked? That's kinda fucked up.
Can you confirm, do you know what 'if' means? Yes, no?
E: that's a no then.
And being against people being sacked in the event of them being found guilty of sexually harassing employees? Yikes.
Looks like he didn't board the plane to Bahrain for nothing!
The statement released by both Red Bull GmbH and Red Bull Racing reads:
"The independent investigation into the allegations made against Mr Horner is complete, and Red Bull can confirm that the grievance has been dismissed.Β
"The complainant has a right of appeal.Β
Red Bull is confident that the investigation has been fair, rigorous and impartial.Β
"The investigation report is confidential and contains the private information of the parties and third parties who assisted in the investigation, and therefore we will not be commenting further out of respect for all concerned.Β
"Red Bull will continue striving to meet the highest workplace standards."
This reads like a sweeping of the matter under the rug. Am I shocked? No. Disappointed? Absolutely.
Someone already called it an "Austrian solution", which is a phrase used in Austria for the kind of compromise that's bad for everyone involved. Lol
"We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"
I mean, they hired a third party investigator for it. Short of FOM or FIA hiring someone themselves (which doesn't really have any less of a conflict of interest), there's not a whole lot else that could've happened.
Yeah, they hired them and claimed their impartiality. I find it hard to trust the impartiality of a company being paid by one of the parties involved.
Again, there's not realistically not much more that they could have done. Anyone hired for it is going to be paid for by either RBR themselves or FOM/FIA. There's always going to be that specter hanging over it regardless.
To put it another way, the investigators are going to be hired by someone who has an interest in the proceedings. Either the alleged victim, or Christian Horny, or RBR or FIA, or the tabloids. If [email protected] is that interested there is nothing stopping him hiring his own investigators too. The only difference is the degree of cooperation from the people being investigated your investigators will get based on who hired them.