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[–] [email protected] 93 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This has always been the case. I lived on a road that did not go through, Google and Apple said it did, people would argue with me and I would say 'I have lived here for eight years, go ahead I will see you again in twenty minutes'. The would come back twenty minutes later and be mad at me.

One day when I was really bored I looked through our city archives and found a map from the 1930's showing the road went through(proposed, never happened). No other map did including the current city map, or my paper map.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

The problem is the way Maps determines routes makes a lot of assumptions but there's rarely, if ever, a human to correct it until it gets reported a significant number of times. It also tends to fine-tune the routes based on data from drivers. If enough drivers drive down a road and onto another road with Maps open, Google takes that to mean the road is open and the route connects.

In these kind of backwater, low population places, there often isn't enough data. Not enough people driving down these roads with Maps open, and not enough people that encounter a bad route bother to report it to Google. So no human ever corrects it.

Yet another example of how terrible Google makes its services by refusing to hire humans to manage these things.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure there are rough edges, but I've got to say Google maps is one of the most valuable tools I use, I used it more days than not, and it's free. I remember the days of printing out directions from MapQuest or having a whole map of the country you keep in your car. Modern map apps are kind of a miracle.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

It’s been a good run. Now I’m bound to be influenced by the pay-for-prominence highlighted locations.

Time to try out some offline FOSS solutions!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

There was a story of a guy whose property had exits on either side. Google picked up on his data and everyone started using it like a public thruway. He said he had to put up an earthen berm and wood fence (losing his own access to one side).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I know, but being a beta tester for a map sucks, and this road had a ' dead end' sign.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you happen to remember what the basis of their arguments were?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

It was always the same, 'Maps says this road goes through/ it's a shortcut'.

It made me wonder what nefarious things they thought I was up to by telling them the road ended at a small tree covered hill.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I had to rescue people here in Ecuador as well. Two cloud forest roads on both sides were somehow connected magically! I mean it's a road but not passable when any rain you get stuck in biggg hill mud slide shit. Believe me you can die, damage your car, etc. Ppl were there cutting off the last part of 10hours drive, 3cars with like ten kids no water food was dark already. Scary man how people follow Google maps. Openstreetmap was same and don't worry by now my update there has been copied by Google somehow.......... I did mark as emergency so maybe then they share.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

They were my own clients so was my responsibility but yeah it's crazy they actually had a road on line from Pedro Cabro direct to Olón.... MAYBE IF YOU HAVE A DONKEY (or good motorbike) jaaja

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan @PeterLG in Germany close to were I live we have an “official” sign saying “your navigation system is lying”

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

56 comments and nothing about the fact that you can submit edits to Google if the map is wrong

[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Submit your edits to OpenStreetMap instead. Fuck doing unpaid labor for Google; they can fucking pay somebody for it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

I have thousands of edits on OSM for over a decade, but people getting lost is less cool than spending 3 minutes trying to help people

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Normally I'd agree with you but a lot of people use Google and driving for a few hours in the wrong direction in Tasmania can kill you. Fixing something like this might well be a humanitarian action.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

this sign is the "humanitarian action." fuck Google

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

This is the way.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I had to submit a trail edit 4 times to make it stick after many others had done the same already. You can only do what you can do. I always tell them they are liable for any incident if they have prior knowledge as if that would make a difference.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I did that once, they rejected it. Wasn't until they eventually did another pass for updated photos did they update it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I heard stories about that feature, apparently sometimes they accept the changes and then revert them again for some reason. Like sometimes the wrong information comes from the government that classified a dirt road as a highway and Google eventually reverts any changes because they trust the government data more.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

@MikeElgan LOL, not surprised. Google Maps has really gone to shit. Just like their other products...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

They sent me down a non-serviceable back road in the middle of a snow storm. There's literally no option for, "Stay on main roads, avoid back roads."

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How many had to go that way be for to get this sign put up though ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Saw a similar thing while traveling in the Colorado mountains - I guess the third time they had to wait for a tow truck to rescue a tourist from what essentially is the loooong start of their driveway?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

In Bolinas (small coastal town in West Marin County, north or San Francisco) google maps is accurate but the locals hate out of towners so much (esp surfers) there's a concerted community effort over the years to file false reports on Google maps so tourists get lost and can't find their way to Bolinas.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

I caretake a tiny off-grid cottage, nestled in the protected dunes of a beach community and surrounded by conservation land. There are a lot of paper roads (also known as an Unformed legal road - a street or road that appears on maps but has not been built) in the area, but one in particular also appears on both Google and Apple's maps. I can not tell you how many vehicles I've seen stuck in sand up to the door panels because they were told by their device to drive that way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

When two-headers save your bacon. Thanks bro!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

@MikeElgan

Boy do I know that one.

Google maps marks my (admittedly very long) driveway as a road actually located a quarter mile south of my place.

As a result I get three or four people a month driving past my 'keep out' and 'private road' signs to whom I must explain that Google is wrong.

Then I explain that driving past keep out signs up here in the mountains is a REALLY BAD IDEA and they are incredibly lucky they did it at my place and not one of my neighbors, who come out with a gun.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

@MikeElgan

when you're stuck, just relax and stay awhile, can't hurt 🤕

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

@MikeElgan In Wales, Google is also often wrong, not least in the way it accepts 'suggestions' from tourists for places to be added to their maps and Earth. These names are usually English or English corruptions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Well it's Wales, so the correct spelling probably looks like someone removed all the vowels from a keyboard and then rolled their face back and forth a few times.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan I think "Google is wrong! Go back!" is just good advice in general these days

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

@MikeElgan use and support @organicmaps based on #OpenStreetMaps and rectify any errors you find yourself. Saves you and others the expense of wasted time, Spraypaint and Board. #OrganicMaps

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan We had a sign a couple years ago: “This is not a road. It’s a private Driveway”. We had 3-5 cars a day driving down our driveway, looking lost, trying to do U turns on our grass, it was nuts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan read this somewhere and it seems accurate for this
“google maps will take you through a lake if it saves 36 seconds”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan

Google Maps once directed me and my family up a logging road in Washington state which became fainter and fainter and finally ended in a dead-end clearing. There had once been a further road (maybe connecting to someplace) but it was now blocked with boulders, and closed for so long that trees were growing in the middle of it. By this point all GPS and cell reception had cut out.

I was lucky that my sense of direction is good enough that we could backtrack out again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

@MikeElgan Don’t even think of using GoogleMaps for bushwalking in Tasmania! Thousands of lakes on the map that don’t actually exist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

LOL, that screenshot looks more like Canada.

Edit: unlike the immediate area you screenshotted, the area just northwest of it (Walls of Jerusalem National Park) looks like it legitimately does have a whole bunch of lakes, 'cause they show up in the aerial photography as well as the map layer. What's up with that? Are they glacial or karst or what?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan took several years to get Gargle to remove a street name from a neighbour's driveway. Tourists were trying to drive through their house to get to another imaginary road.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan

This just got added to my desktop wallpaper collection.

Now I need to figure out the best way to add it graphically as an email signature...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan my kid goes to the oldest freaking high school in Southern Florida if not the whole state.

Google maps cannot navigate you to the front of the school. Always takes you to a secured gate on the side of the school.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan a recent trip to Tassie confirmed we really need an “avoid unsealed roads” option in Australia

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan I thought this was a comment on how much google search isn't regexpr anymore and totally (*&#$*^* @#*&$^(#$&*((*^*#$ @#$&^(*^#@$ #SmashesComputer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan did you go back?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

There was a wide dirt road near my city in Mexico that appeared as "paved" for decades in printed maps, looks to me like some corrupt politicians in power back in the 70s skimmed more than just the cream off the top, all they managed was to scrape the wide road with no budget left over for the asphalt phase.
This road finally got paved around 15 years ago, since then the old map are now correct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

@MikeElgan Every couple of months or so, in my day job, I get asked to "fix Google Maps". No, I don't work at Google... I eventually drafted up a "how to do it yourself" document so that people could lodge corrections with Google themselves...

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