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I’m getting tired of the extremely loud ads on that don’t seem to be subject to the old TV broadcasting laws that prevent them from being blasted 10db louder than the actual content. Wondering if there’s stuff out there that would let me take the hdmi stream from my Apple TV or other streaming source, and do ad detection like the olden days so that it could just mute or do volume leveling at least.

I suppose something very basic might just be an hdmi splitter to a rpi with hdmi that’ll detect ads via the black screens or “this ad will over over in 30s” overlays, then send a mute signal over CEC or something to a receiver or TV….but would be nice if it could modify the hdmi signal directly.

Thoughts on what to search for to do something like this?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

As OP said volume leveling is acceptable, something like this will do.

Modifying HDMI video signal is simply impossible due to DMCA and bla bla bla. But not all hope is lost though. You can overlay opaque video on top of another encrypted stream via this little box. This is an old project per se and I have no idea if still available, but with some dirty work you might able to detect the increase of volume or match of an algo or something with a total black screen overlay on top.

[–] refalo 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yes those are FPGA/ASIC based solutions like I mentioned. That should work for 1080p at least, but getting to 4k is still prohibitively expensive.

impossible

My understanding is the DMCA explicitly allows reverse engineering of encryption for interoperability purposes... the only problem is that would have to specifically be tested in court to know if the government would agree in this instance, and nobody wants to try it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Overlay isn't transcoding. All it need is a muxer like MKVToolNix. I doubt it need much processing power.

[–] refalo 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Muxing has nothing to do with HDMI

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't and I didn't ever mentioned HDMI in my reply. Just doubt if overlaying another encrypted stream with a muxer ever need that much processing power to the point of "prohibitively expensive".

[–] refalo 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Encrypted streams also don't have anything to do with a muxer, I really don't understand what you're trying to say. Muxers are for handling file formats, which is not being discussed at all, this is about raw video frame processing in hardware.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Well, I'm simply reciting what is described on the page based on my understanding. From the diagram, it does not do raw frame processing from the source (assuming HDMI w/ HDCP) as the stream remains encrypted. By the look of it, it is copy or passthrough to the muxer (as it labeled). With some magic, it muxes two encrypted streams into one and output to the video sink. How is that done I have no idea.

[–] refalo 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That diagram is describing the hardware side of the NeTV, which is an FPGA device doing all this. That "mux" is describing a hardware 2:1 mux on the raw video streams, such as https://vlsiverify.com/verilog/verilog-codes/multiplexer/

The "magic" is described here: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2011/implementation-of-mitm-attack-on-hdcp-secured-links/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Got it. I can see where the problem is niw and how can the hardware is limiting. Thanks for the great article.