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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

telling you you're part of the problem because of your existence... It's not hard to see how that can really impact one's sense of worth to the world.

I don't mean to invalidate what you're feeling, but that's what it's like to be a minority in America. I have dealt with that in some shape or form for as long as I can remember. Sorry, I don't have any answers, but I do empathize with you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Right. I explained in both of my previous comments that I understand that. I recognize that it's a similar mechanism of action, and that relatively speaking, I've got it good. It's really disheartening to see so many (the 'left' not you) getting so close to understanding that -everyone- deserves to be treated with respect by the default, and somehow turning it into a zero-sum game where, for it to get better for some, there must be a class that suffers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not that there must be a class that suffers, it's that there is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Is it necessary? If so, it's a zero-sum game. Fine. That's just going to encourage an endless cycle of warfare to be the class currently not suffering.

If it's not necessary, if it's NOT a zero-sum game, then why are we treating it like it is?