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It links to the legislation which seems to support it:
Effectively, if the police search is otherwise legal, then they can compel you to unlock your phone. If you don't, you can get up to 3 months in prison:
However, section 130 (2) says:
But clarifies in 130 (3):
So basically, if the data used to unlock your phone can incriminate you, you don't have to provide it. But that doesn't protect you from incriminating evidence on your phone.
So I guess the moral of the story is that if you're a drug dealer, make sure your phone password is "ImADrugDealer" and then you can't be forced to provide that information. But I guess they can force you to unlock it without telling them the password? so I'm not sure what section 130 (2) had in mind.
(I'm also not a legal expert ๐)
How are you supposed to prove that your password is self-incriminating without giving away your password?
How does it work in the US for pleading the fifth?
The moral of the story to me is leave your smartphone at home and just bring a dumbphone if you think you could be arrested.
My dumbphone has a broken key and it is infuriatingly hard to unlock though so it might antagonize them.
Haha I think it's probably best not to antagonise the police if you can help it!
Exactly!
It antagonizes the people in my life; that's bad enough.
This feels weird to me. If your password is "ILikePotato", which is then used to decrypt a text file that contains "IStoleTheMonaLisaAndReplacedItWithAPhotocopy", how is that any different in terms of "incriminating yourself" than if it was the other way around..?
And if you actually forgot your password, that's 3 months jail for you, because they'll hardly believe you? Better have just one so you'll surely remember!
I wonder, if you use special markings to keep track of your illegal doings, and one of your notebooks is found during a search, are you required to assist in deciphering the contents of it? That's basically the same thing as decrypting your hard drive.
I think the point is that you can grant them access in 3 seconds, it's not like you're giving an onerous task to someone.
While in implementation your notebook analogy may be right, in practice it's more similar to the police searching your house and asking you to unlock the basement so they can search there too. It's not exactly a big ask, it's as simple as unlocking it with the key you have, so from a legal perspective it's perfectly reasonable.
From a privacy perspective it's not great, but I'd argue the control should be on when someone is allowed to rummage through your stuff, it shouldn't matter if your notebook is physical or on your phone. Practicality changes this of course.
If you have the Mona Lisa in your house then letting the police into your house incriminates you, but the whole point of the search is for them to be able to find it.
I think the right to remain silent was meant to protect us from being tortured, not as a shield to hide things?
But will you be punished for not telling them that the key is under the mat? They will get in either way. They can get into your hard drive with brute force too, it's just a wee bit more trouble for them.
I wouldn't be too worried. 3 months in prison is what kiwis get for murder. You're more likely to get a month holiday at home detention on xbox duty.