this post was submitted on 25 Apr 2024
2399 points (99.5% liked)
Memes
45584 readers
1593 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
It's kinda sad that without Mozilla, Raymond, the NoScript guys and TOR we would lose control over the internet pretty much immediately
Kind of agree. Though there is pi-hole and several others. And there's i2p, Freenet (now called Hyphanet) and GNUnet, and similar.
Pi-hole is nice for devices that you don't fully control. But it's not enough, due to the fundamental limitations of DNS based blocking. If the ads and the content are hosted on the same domain, it can't do anything.
Also issues with links that get ads on top of them. You can still click them, you'll get redirected to a blank page (because the ad gets DNS blocked), but with an adblocker you would've gone to the non-ad link.
I definitely agree, although really a LOT of non-Linux/(IT) guys use Chrome, some even Edge, if on Windows
IT person...
Uses chrome....
Both cannot be true friend, sorry. Your buddy is either a fake engineer or their main job isn't IT.
If you really have friends in IT they haven't used chrome or edge in a while, or their using the scripting bot for weekly progress reports to their boss, and they're only using it for that...
this is the stupidest comment I have read all week. chromenis fucking INFESTED in IT field. literally almost everyone uses it in my class, I'm a third year student in ict-engineering. literally everyone used it in my last school too, which was also IT related. if you actually believe that you must not really see other IT people outside the linux circles
Chrome has become the baseline to support for every kind of web application out there since every major browser other than firefox and safari is a chrome reskin anyway
You don't want to start this conversation, it's a race to absolutism and purity tests at odds with one another. You say Firefox and someone comes in a calls you an idiot because you're not using a fully FOSS browser or one that is inadequately hardened or one that supports the installation of content-management modules.
Most sane reply, lol.
You don't work in the industry.
Who is Raymond? Never heard the name
The original author of μBlock
What about controld for blocking at the dns level?
Not really anymore for Mozilla. They now get a lot of your private data and share em with their “business partners”
I'm going to need some sources for that claim or I'm calling bullshit. I have never heard anyone claim that and I have seen absolutely zero evidence suggesting that.
edit:
these are the closest things I could find,
https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/22/24109116/mozilla-ends-onerep-data-removal-partnership
https://videoweek.com/2022/02/10/mozilla-partners-with-meta-for-privacy-preserving-attribution/
and neither is bad. meta is a questionable choice for privacy cooperation but even in that it makes sure no one, not even meta, can read those match keys
I believe a lot of info I got was from this video but it’s been a while so I’m not too sure: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU
Also yea Firefox sends a lot of telemetry data and stuff, even if you disable the option in the menu. You have to go to the developer mode to remove all of it. Check "hardened Firefox". If there is an hardened Firefox, then there is a non-hardened Firefox.
And then there are all the contracts and calls to Google's server, for example for geolocation and stuff
And if you want the ultimate proof, everything is in their privacy policy https://www.mozilla.org/fr/privacy/firefox/ - just see how much data they collect, use and share, for better or for worse.
after reading the privacy site that doesn't sound too bad. or at least "tracks you private data and shares it with their business partners" bad which makes it sound like they are literally spying on you.
they do send telemetry data yes, but not your ip or anything that could be used to track against you, they do share some data while using the search function from url bar which is prettt much necessary and that seems to be only the stuff you typed.
most of it seems to just be about sponsored content where they send the amount of clicks and time when those clicks happened so advertisers know some statistics and advertisors get their royalties. firefox does suggest you content based on your browsing history but that happens locally. in no point does you browsing history go outside your computer, which is the most important part to me. they do know what was suggested, but not how it was suggested
so in conclusion, they do send some device information, information about your clicks and where those clicks happened and some other very basic telemetry with no information that could be tracked to you.
of course if one want the ultimate privacy that can be a dealbreaker. but to say that they collect your private data is quite an overstatement imo. I couldn't give a damn if my browsing is part of some anonymous statistics.
but yeah in a way you're correct, they do collect data. like almost literally every application does in the modern era
Did you forget about geolocation?
Mozilla's websites are full of trackers too, and they are largely funded by Google. How can you protect privacy when your biggest customer gains money by tracking? Seems like a clear conflict of interest.
And it’s not a bit of telemetry data, it’s literally your entire computer config, number of tabs open, duration… they claim not to log IPs, but can you really trust them? The point is you’re constantly pinging with your IP to their servers for useless reasons. They literally sell your data by sharing it to their “business partners”.
They also send the url of all files you download to Google by default. Great. That’s privacy!
(The video also gives some good points)
yeah I can trust them with no ip logging because I live in eu and if that big of a company breaks their own rules it's going to get noted and addressed
and without the ip you just keep sending quite basic stuff anonymously. nobody is getting tracked by that. it's just pretty anoymous data which ingludes general stuff like tab count, information about your ROUGH location (ip based, not accurate), hardware, clicks, count of clicks, times page visited etc... so just basic stuff that has literally nothing to do with the actual user. the link to your telemetry ends at the moment they don't tell the actual stuff that identifies you like your ip. please if you disagree, what part of that data don't you want to be shared because it has something to do with your privacy? it's all anonymous.
firefox is an opensource software where literally anyone can view the source code and check themselves what is actually sent. you argument all you want with the "but can youn trust them?" but literally anyone esle except some guy on youtube didn't feel like complaining about firefox
it's an opensource software, running with the expenses of a big browser. the fact that you let firefox use your anonymous telemetry for royalties is the least you can do to support browser like that. it is literally your specs, location by city, amount of clicks, where the clicks were, when it happened, and possibly some other stuff that I can't remember. all which is sent without you ip or other indications? what about those is actualy sacred?
also the sharing with third party service is only current with the current search service so you can choose yourself where you want to give your data in search engines.
and the google ad sevice only gets your ad-id which doesn't get linked to you if you don't use other google services in which case this conversation is pointless.
sorry if I missed something I'm high as fuck
But I see no reason for fearmongering or untrust. they are literally OPEN FUCKING SOURCE!
edit: and of course they are doing a lot of businnes with googe it is literally the biggest and easiest advertiser and they need money from somewhere. doesn't meen they spy on YOU and track YOUR data as your own and sell it with your info slapped on it.
they have 1100 employees to pay for and a LOT of servers for almost 15 million users. think about the costs with the mind that they also have to take profit to grow and get more customers. they cant stay completely still with growth and profits if they want to get more users and servers space. it takes a lot more resources to get as any users as it took in the firefox glory days
Everything they recently added is pure bullshit and useless stuff. Just watch the video I linked, it says everything you want to hear. With all the data shared to their partners, I guess it's relatively easy to fingerprint you, depending on how they do it. And cmon about the servers, I never go to their website, I only cost money because of the shit ton of data they retrieve. An update ping from time to time and an update twice a month can't possibly cost 5 million dollars.
They don't have anything to spend money on, the browser is pretty much full of features. The only thing to do is make it faster and check for security issues.
At least on Brave you can opt out of this bullshit
Nice
As if people actually did that. I bet serverside code isn't open source