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Listening to a recent episode of the Solarpunk Presents podcast reminded me the importance of consistently calling out cryptocurrency as a wasteful scam. The podcast hosts fail to do that, and because bad actors will continue to try to push crypto, we must condemn it with equal persistence.

Solarpunks must be skeptical of anyone saying it’s important to buy something, like a Tesla, or buy in, with cryptocurrency. Capitalists want nothing more than to co-opt radical movements, neutralizing them, to sell products.

People shilling crypto will tell you it decentralizes power. So that’s a lie, but solarpunks who believe it may be fooled into investing in this Ponzi scheme that burns more energy than some countries. Crypto will centralize power in billionaires, increasing their wealth and decreasing their accountability. That’s why Space Karen Elon Musk pushes crypto. The freer the market, the faster it devolves to monopoly. Rather than decentralizing anything, crypto would steer us toward a Bladerunner dystopia with its all-powerful Tyrell corporation.

Promoting crypto on a solarpunk podcast would be unforgivable. That’s not quite what happens on S5E1 “Let’s Talk Tech.” The hosts seem to understand crypto has no part in a solarpunk future or its prefigurative present. But they don’t come out and say that, adopting a tone of impartiality. At best, I would call this disingenuous. And it reeks of the both-sides-ism that corporate media used to paralyze climate action discourse for decades.

Crypto is not “appropriate tech,” and discussing it without any clarity is inappropriate.

Update for episode 5.3: In a case of hyper hypocrisy, they caution against accepting superficial solutions---things that appear utopian but really reinforce inequality and accelerate the climate crisis---while doing exactly that by talking up cryptocurrency.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I have yet to hear of a possible use of NFTs that would actually be useful. Stuff that was floated like in-game purchases or concert tickets don't solve any problems compared to the current system.

NFTs died out because scamming was the only thing they were useful for.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Aside from all the scams, the other use I've seen is corporations trying to use them to create artificial scarcity of digital goods, essentially making NFTs a new flavor of DRM with an added, desperate hope of making DRM and FOMO marketing tactics seem cool, techy, and hip.

I don't like DRM, I don't like artificial scarcity, and the basic premise of NFTs reminds me of those old infomercials where someone promises to sell you the rights to name an actual star, except it's only in their proprietary database and you have to go to their website to see that anything has changed. I'd rather just have a copy of the digital image itself than a receipt someone gave me claiming that I own it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

. . . someone promises to sell you the rights to name an actual star, except it’s only in their proprietary database and you have to go to their website to see that anything has changed.

That's one of the best descriptions of NFTs I've heard, and really brings out its fundamentally scummy nature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Art, actually, once the BS has settled.

Copyrighted works that give owners a small sliver of resale purchases. Buy a used book/audiobook from someone, 2% automatically goes to the author.

Inventory tracking.

Fair trade proof of sourcing.

There are plenty of good uses, and plenty of bad ones.

Like anything, though, you have to apply effort for change. Crypto isn't some panacea that solves the world's problems. It is a tool that will be used for dystopic purposes, and can and will be used for more sound reasons.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They do solve problems though. If there was a simple app that musicians could sell tickets direct to customers, you can loose all the predatory middlemen

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You don't need NFTs for that app. You can just make it with a frontend attached to a database and a payment system.

Venues are contractually tied to TicketMaster and the like. You can't solve that with NFTs.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You don’t need it because we have ticketmaster? That’s your argument lol? It’s to prevent the next one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It won't work because contracts. Try to read next time.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They only got those contracts because there was no alternative. Try to infer using your common sense next time. Lots of cities had contracts with taxi companies before uber. And some on chain app will eventually remove the remaining parasitic component.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If they went looking for alternatives, it would be another service like TicketMaster. There is no benefit to NFTs here. Try using common sense to think about what NFTs actually solve in this situation. The answer is nothing at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To be replaced by another middleman.

All NFTs are doing here is replacing the database where it says you have a ticket. You still need an interface for choosing your ticket and getting payment. Venues are not going to hire a programming team to create that in-house. They're going to outsource that to someone. Might not be TicketMaster, but someone. You might as well keep the database centralized.

The best we can hope for here is to have several competing services. NFTs do nothing to help that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They won’t need to build anything there will eventually be mature open source tooling that smaller artists and venues will start using, it’ll gain mindshare and become the standard. Or you can wait for ticketmaster to be included into a cbdc coming to a country near you soon. Going on the on-chain either way but it’d rather we took back control.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you know anything about PCI compliance? Or payment gateways as a whole? Or just, like, web development in general?

Never mind, it doesn't really matter. TicketMaster is contractually attached to venues like a barnacle, and you're not solving that with any technical solution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Worked in webdev for a decade before getting my cs degree so aye.

Have you always lacked foresight or was there some blunt trauma ?