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Excerpts from the link:

Fake internet points are finally worth something!
Now redditors can earn real money for their contributions to the Reddit community, based on the karma and gold they've been given.
How it works:

  • Redditors give gold to posts, comments, or other contributions they think are really worth something.
  • Eligible contributors that earn enough karma and gold can cash out their earnings for real money.
  • Contributors apply to the program to see if they're eligible.
  • Top contributors make top dollar. The more karma and gold contributors earn, the more money they can receive.

Not just anyone can be a contributor. To join and stay in the program, contributors need to meet a few requirements:\

  • Be over 18 and live in the U.S.
  • Only Safe for Work contributions qualify
  • Earn xx gold and karma each month
  • Provide verification information. You must have at least 10 gold and 100 karma to begin verification.
  • NSFW accounts aren't eligible for the Contributors Program

Here's my take on this. Since this is from the latest version of Reddit's ~~broken browser for a single site~~ "official app", it's likely a recent development, triggered by recent changes in the platform. Reddit Inc. is likely worried about contributors leaving due to the app-pocalypse, and is trying to counter it by throwing them some spare cash.

And I'm going to be honest: holy fuck this sounds like a Bad Ideaยฎ. For three reasons.

The first one is demographics; since 47% of the users are Americans, and 21% of them are 10-19yo, it's safe to say that ~60% of the users are ineligible, and thus will only contribute for free.

Will they? People often don't mind contributing for free, as long as the others are in the same page. The picture changes once you get at least someone making money out of it - odds are that those 60% will disengage further.

The second reason is that Reddit Inc. is disregarding the fluff principle. If the money threshold is the number of upvotes and awards that someone gets per period of time, why would the person bother with high quality content? Or even quality content at all - it's easy to make up for lack of quality with quantity. For example, setting up a simple bot to scrape the top posts and repost them. (Is Reddit expecting the mods to delete those reposts? OH WAIT)

The third and final reason is who you expect to give awards to those people, before they feel pissed and discouraged and leave the program, breaking even further their trust in the platform. Who would even buy Reddit gold on first place? The Reddit community has been outright mocking Reddit gold for years, and the suckers actually buying it were the ones who were the most engaged and emotionally attached to the platform, to the point that they're willing to "help" it. (As if corporations need help, but whatever.) It would be a shame if Reddit happened to piss off exactly that demographic... like it did.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If karma is worth money can I sell my 50,000 point account to someone who promises to use it for evil and make Reddit worse? Maybe Russians or scammers? Or Russian scammers?

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

[Speaking as mod]

who promises to use it for evil and make Reddit worse? Maybe Russians or scammers? Or Russian scammers?

Please do not associate people from specific countries - regardless of country - with "doing things for evil". You could easily convey the same point without this.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In most cases I would agree with you, but I think he was referencing the Russian propaganda bots on Facebook and Twitter that were implicated in the 2016 and 2020 elections.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

[Speaking as mod]

The issue is the message that it conveys. Without that explicit reference, and without any sort of qualifier, "Russians" implies "the Russian population in general". It would be different if saying, for example, "Russian trolls" (as it specifies a group) or "Putler & Co." or something like this.

It's a minor issue, as it's an implication instead of a statement, and I'm aware of the risk of the mod being a dumbarse and reading this wrong, that's why I opted for a simple "please don't". I also don't think that the user had the intention to associate "Russian = evil", but sadly moderators can't act based on projected intentions.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I appreciate it, I will be more mindful about this.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for being reasonable. It's that sort of thing that we don't usually pay attention, so I can't really blame you, but I think that we [people in general] should watch out for this sort of stuff.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This awesome. Thank you!

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I mean it is still kind of notable that there's practically a soft ban on this instance for discussing Russian atrocities in Ukraine, but a mod will pipe up to broadly defend Russia.

I get what you are saying, and generally agree with and respect the sentiment, but I hope you also will acknowledge the broader optics of this statement within that context. It would be nice to see mods here be just as upset and vocal about soft censorship of Ukrainian genocide.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know mate, I'm browsing All Hot mostly, and there, it's like every 10th post about Ukraine. There was nothing about war atrocities, it's just really not good idea to associate certain nation with certain negative trait - roots of genocide, divide and conquer, and all that fun (not really) stuff.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm talking about specifically lemmy.ml where I think this is posted originally but perhaps I'm mistaken.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just to be clear: for the sake of rule #1, the exact same would apply if a comment associated "Ukrainian = evil", "American = evil" or any other country or region of the world. This lumps together people who you shouldn't blame for certain events and actions with the people that you should.

(I'm glad that this happened with a fairly minor issue, most likely accidental, and the poster in question is reasonable.)

I'm aware of the broader context of lemmy.ml; I'm simply not in a good position to talk about this, because as a mod this is not a political community, and as a user I tend to get irrationally angry at some oversimplifications and bullshit used to justify shit happening in the war*.

*Speaking this as a user, not as "the mod": fucking Putin dressing power projection as it was "denazification", fucking Zelensky turning a blind eye to Nazi every fucking where in the country that he runs (including the military ranks), fucking NATO using the war to strengthen its own position (and people be damned as usual), and nobody giving a flying fuck about the population. It gets specially worse for the Russian- and surzhyk-speaking Ukrainians in the East, as some people in both sides are eager to burn them in a fire.

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Inb4 reddit karma farms pop-up all over the third world promising unlimited upvotes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Lol reddit needs those guys rn

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In a post somewhat similar on reddit, there was a link to calculate the worth of your reddit accounts. Didn't need a user name, just age and karma

Amusingly an older lower karma account is worth more than a newer, higher karma account

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Before redditpocalypse accounts over 10 years were selling for 50 to 100 bucks on ebay if they had over like 25k comment karma.

Not talking listed, I mean sold.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know, that's why I want it converted into cash money. There are sketchy sites out there that could give me a couple hundred, but let's aim for a buck per karm.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Buck per karma, I like the way you think

[โ€“] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This :clap: is :clap: why :clap: Karma :clap: isnt :clap: safe.

Karma, as an economic comodity builds perverse insentives and punishes honesty. If you got your Karma ligitimately, someones there to gunk up reddit by farming karma. Let reddit die by the hands of those who buy karma for propaganda sake!

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