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XMPP as a Discord alternative for small group? (lemmy.sdf.org)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Hi. I have a group of 6 people using Discord to chat. Recently Discord changed a lot and we're looking for an alternative. We have a few requirements:

Good client on multiple platforms
Easy to use search
Self hosted
Permanently saved chat history & attachments on server (no expiration)
Easy image upload (Ctrl+V to post image from clipboard)

IRC isn't an option as chat history is saved on the client, and there's no good integrated way to share files and preview images. Matrix would be an overkill as we're a small group not interested in federation, and the available clients had a few bugs. Mattermost lacks a good mobile app (their current one had bunch of bugs). XMPP appears to be the best as it is extensible and has many clients available.

However, I tried configuring prosody on my FreeBSD server and it seems like it doesn't permanently save chat history or attachment files. Does anyone know if these can be solved? Or is there any better alternative than XMPP?

Thanks.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Did you ever get carbons working properly? (As in, mobile and desktop clients of the same user both getting messages and marking as read remotely between them)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Getting messages synced between modern clients works reliable since a long time.

Marking them as read on the other hand is not a feature of message carbons and there were different sometimes contradicting ways how that was implemented (it is a surprisingly complex topic).

That said, just a few weeks ago there has been a renewed effort to standartise message read synchronization and it looks like the major clients are on board this time, so I hope that will get much better soon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Sorry I should have said "carbons and carbons related qol extensions"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

No, we all only ever used single mobile clients. Sorry I can't help

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

that is not carbons though, carbons is working properly. Apparently they talked about this issue in the latest XMPP group meetup so something may be in the works.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, see: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0490.html

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

wow, that is so cool. A few weeka ago I talked about this with a server owner and he consulted a prodigy developer and told him what I said above. Amazing they got round to it so quickly. Thanks for the details.