What's the point of the sidebar's rules if the mods are going to bury their heads in the sand about the lemmy.world-lib bot-farm
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I see, so it's actually a lot closer to my personal beliefs than I was expecting. I think my beliefs could best be summed up by, "people shouldn't be earning a living, they should be earning a luxury". They're a bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it.
Interesting.
What you're saying is well aligned, but from a fundamentally different viewpoint. Socialism doesn't (by itself) address any of the things in your summation. The closest I can explain it in terms that could make sense to you is just the first part: "people shouldn't be earning a living".
I think ideological socialism just axiomatically starts from a different perspective. A person (traditionally a citizen) shouldn't have to earn their right to live, rather it's our shared interest that all of us can live our best lives. From that perspective work is only relevant as a way to create wellbeing (sense of purpose, creating things, being helpful, etc), economy comes only in the implementation and how we fund the society that allows the ideal.
And that's where different groups have tried different things, planned economy has had mixed success, capitalism within the social framework is the current fashion in most of Europe/World, but you also have kibbutzes/communes, homesteading, and multigenerational and/or sectarian communes.
All these are different implementations of socialism, and none of them are founded on the idea of work, salary or expenses. They typically start from other ideals, where the economic policy simply becomes a tool.
I like that sentence and I will steal it from you thank you very much