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FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

~~Direct action and or forcing the hands of politicians so more people have an incentive to vote~~

Trying to get people to support genocide and half assed half measures (that keep the door open for making things worse than they were before, which is very in line with the ruling class' interests), and when they don't, imply they support fascism 😌

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean, “support”?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

First instance of the word: "supporting genocide" as in voting for someone who will facilitate said genocide via funding.

Second instance of the word: "supporting fascism" by refraining to vote for someone who will facilitate genocide but will stop the fascism creep ongoing in the USA using (in my not so humble opinion) crappy legislation which can be easily reverted.

To defend myself more directly, one wouldn't ask a Palestinian American to vote for Biden, that is, unless you lack basic decency, ehich means the tactic that the person above me uses wouldn't be effective for anyone seeing themselves as a victim or even victim-adjacent to the ongoing genocide.

And I'm saying that working outside of the system or trying to apply political pressure is a tactic that is abandoned by liberals by default, which makes their tactic ineffective against the creep of fascism.

Excuse my long ass comment, wanted to drop the sarcasm for a sec and say what i really mean.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I just think your humble opinion of the legislation being easily reversible is doing a lot of work here.

Are you really that sure that there will be no long term consequences if the guy comes into office who has explicitly stated his intention to become a “dictator for ‘a day’”, is really intent on stacking courts, fucking with elections, calling immigrants “vermin”, and so on?

Because if you're wrong, there might be a civil war. And MAGA nut jobs statistically have more guns than us leftists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You are assuming that the only options that exist are voting for either guy or not voting. Which is the main thing I'm trying to bring attention to as you are not the first person to comment in such a manner.

Also, Biden isn't really doing much to reverse what Trump did, including stuff that affect immigrants.

If your main means to get more voters is shaming them instead of shaming your politicians then this lesser-of-two-evils game will only get worse, it had gone worse several times already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm aware that more than two parties technically exist in your country. I'm also not under the illusion that voting for one of them in the general election has an effect that's distinguishable from not voting.

I mean, except for the individual third party voter, who has to leave the house and stand in a queue when voting third party.

It's great to have a political system that allows for diverse political parties. Sadly the US in not a country where such a system exists.

Under normal circumstances, you won't be able to ever reach critical mass with a third party, and they won't give up power.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

You are going out of your way to misinterpret what i say, i didn't mention a third party.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not implying they support fascism, it's implying they're letting fascism happen faster, because they are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Agree we should work outside the system, disagree that we should not use our vote strategically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Using it strategically does not equate to voting unconditionally