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17 of the top 25 states by GDP voted for Biden. 20% of US GDP is in just California and New York. So "whatever they're doing must be working" huh?
You can't make a political point by finding a random stat and assuming all the connective tissue to make it evidence of your political views being correct.
Yeah It’s working for California.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-budget-crisis-worse-than-newsom-projected-as-state-watchdog-warns-deficit-could-reach-record-73b.amp
I love high taxes and still can’t hit your budget. Go California.
https://www.flgov.com/2022/07/07/governor-ron-desantis-announces-record-surplus-for-fiscal-year-2021-22/
Fiscal responsibility is important.
Except when it comes to giving tax breaks to the rich.
The wealthy pay more than their fair share. So yes, it’s fiscally responsible to give them a tax break.
"In 2007, Jeff Bezos, then a multibillionaire and now the world’s richest man, did not pay a penny in federal income taxes. He achieved the feat again in 2011. In 2018, Tesla founder Elon Musk, the second-richest person in the world, also paid no federal income taxes."
"Michael Bloomberg managed to do the same in recent years. Billionaire investor Carl Icahn did it twice. George Soros paid no federal income tax three years in a row."
"The results are stark. According to Forbes, those 25 people saw their worth rise a collective $401 billion from 2014 to 2018. They paid a total of $13.6 billion in federal income taxes in those five years, the IRS data shows. That’s a staggering sum, but it amounts to a true tax rate of only 3.4%."
"No one among the 25 wealthiest avoided as much tax as Buffett, the grandfatherly centibillionaire. That’s perhaps surprising, given his public stance as an advocate of higher taxes for the rich. According to Forbes, his riches rose $24.3 billion between 2014 and 2018. Over those years, the data shows, Buffett reported paying $23.7 million in taxes. That works out to a true tax rate of 0.1%, or less than 10 cents for every $100 he added to his wealth."
"Consider Bezos’ 2007, one of the years he paid zero in federal income taxes. Amazon’s stock more than doubled. Bezos’ fortune leapt $3.8 billion, according to Forbes, whose wealth estimates are widely cited. How did a person enjoying that sort of wealth explosion end up paying no income tax?"
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/propublica/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/forbes/
I don't know about you, but I sure as shit ain't getting a near 0% tax rate.
"Inequality has remained persistently high for decades, and a new report shows just how stark the divide is between the richest and poorest people on the planet."
"The 2022 World Inequality Report, a huge undertaking coordinated by economic and inequality experts Lucas Chancel, Thomas Piketty, Emmanuel Saez, and Gabriel Zucman, was the product of four years of research and produced an unprecedented data set on just how wealth is distributed."
""The world is marked by a very high level of income inequality and an extreme level of wealth inequality," the authors wrote."
"The data serves as a complete rebuke of the trickle-down economic theory, which posits that cutting taxes on the rich will "trickle down" to those below, with the cuts eventually benefiting everyone. In America, trickle-down was exemplified by President Ronald Reagan's tax slashes. It's a theory that persists today, even though most research has shown that 50 years of tax cuts benefits the wealthy and worsens inequality.""
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-bad-is-inequality-trickle-down-economics-thomas-piketty-economists-2021-12
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/business-insider/
https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/107919/1/Hope_economic_consequences_of_major_tax_cuts_published.pdf
TL;DR: Tax cuts for the rich are a failure, they hurt the average tax payer by increasing wealth disparity.
Why do you post articles that aren’t really relevant? Since you have a thing for Elon. Let’s use Elon.
What was Elon’s income in 2018? We pay taxes on income. Once you answer that, you’ll understand why he didn’t pay taxes.
Your article going on about stock increases which have zero to do with taxes. So who cares if he’s wealth went up? Silly argument that isn’t relevant since we tax income.
Tax cuts are needed for the rich since they overpay their share. The tax burden should be equal.
Looks like you didn't actually read, otherwise you would have been able to understand the relevance. I highlighted the important bits and even that wasn't enough for you to understand.
Why is it always with the insults and cherypicking with you? Grow the fuck up.
I read through what you posted and it’s talking about stock increases which has zero to do with income tax. As such I lost interest since it never talked about the topic.
So once again what was elons income for 2018 since your article said he paid no taxes. I know the answer and it’s pretty obvious. So what did he earn since that’s what we pay taxes on.
You're the one saying GDP is the measure of political success. If it's not, and state by state political issues are the measure, then your post is meaningless.
I never made such a claim. I personally think gdp is meaningless value.