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Why is defederation an option when Limit/Mute exist? (reddthat.com)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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In short i just jumped into the whole Mastodon blocking drama and am somewhat disappointed to see it as childish as reddit's power mod drama. Accelerated by the fact that a Limit/Mute option exist just fine, i wonder why Block/Defederation is an option at all. It only moves power from the user to admins without anything in return. With just Mute, as far as i can tell, one still wouldn't have to look on certain instances, but could interact/whitelist certain individuals and we'd get rid of the multi account requirement overnight. So why isn't it that way?

Edit: For those annoyed by the same siloing issues, look into ATProto. Bluesky may be a big unknown, but the protocol itself looks a lot more promising in terms of user freedom.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (5 children)

The reason is the same why ad in public spaces are bad.

„People can just look away!“ I hear you say but all you display is a lack of knowledge about how the human mind works and why advertisement is nearly a trillion dollar business.

Blocking known bad actors (meta) is indeed taking action for a whole community and should not be done without democratic vote. But once done, people who are unhappy can just leave.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

"People can just look away!" is a terrible analogy cause they wouldn't have to look at an ad if it is hidden. Yet at limiting they would still be able to walk into their store and buy something. Right now blocking is removing the ad, the store and all its personal altogether.

"People who are unhappy can just leave." is the same argument you are trying to impose. To where, i ask you. Nevermind needing to leave your current toots all behind, it's a terrible suggestion and horrible UX.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They absolutely have to look at the ad first, then even introspect enough to understand what it does to them and then have the mental capacity to hide it.

Its the same reason we have billion dollar corpos in the first place: the amount of people with the capacity to see that its a bad idea never reached critical mass so it never got prevented/stopped.

Now we start to gain on those companies and some people still try to kumbaya their way to peaceful coexistence with them. There is no coexistence with psychopaths and never will be.

Looking away is exactly the analogy that fits and you know it.

Would I like to nuke meta? Absolutely! But I cant so I do the next best thing.

They can leave to one of the other thousands of fediverse servers.

I‘m not sure if you‘re oblivious to this by design. Its the same issue with leaving a country or state that imposes laws you dont like. Does it make more sense to vote? Absolutely.

I‘m not going to school every one person on a server that „ads are bad for you because…“. Thats ridicolous and one major reason I left corpo media. No idea why you are here though. You‘d be very happy on the threads side of federation from what I hear.

You’re welcome to make your own instance that is totally free for all corpos to exploit and show us all how great that works.

Good luck.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why are you acting condescending while do your best to miss the point?

They absolutely have to look at the ad first

No, they don't. That's what Limit is for.

Its the same reason we have billion dollar corpos in the first place Now we start to gain on those companies

Who said something about billion dollar corpos?

Looking away is exactly the analogy that fits and you know it.

I don't. Please explain if you know better than i do.

Would I like to nuke meta

Who said something about Meta?

They can leave to one of the other thousands of fediverse servers.

Which are just as likely to be blocked for arbitrary reasons or blocklist bullying. A simple, but prominent example is mastodon.art.

I‘m not sure if you‘re oblivious to this by design. Its the same issue with leaving a co* untry or state that imposes laws you dont like. Does it make more sense to vote? Absolutely.

Yet.. you can't vote..

You‘d be very happy on the threads side of federation from what I hear.

Again, nice of you to assume things for me.

You’re welcome to make your own instance that is totally free for all corpos to exploit and show us all how great that works.

Last but not least, who said something about corps?

To be civil and adjourn to your argument, sure, i hate Meta like the next one and they should be cut off by design, but that was never the point. I am just advocating for a streamlined user experience where one account can interact with everyone, if they choose to do so. A default black veil by admins is perfectly fine to move their instance in the right direction, but why should it be more than that? Every further action is authoritarian and undemocratic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You‘re accusing me of the exact thing you‘re doing and aren’t even answering my arguments, blocked.

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