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[–] [email protected] 119 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Because American media keeps pushing the idea that the Democrats are "the left" and because Democrats oppose guns because the Republicans promote them, they equate owning a gun with being a part of "the right".

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Also far right conservative men are given all the permission in the world to threaten violence whereas many groups of people on the left, and leftism in general are defined by conservatives as inherently dangerous which both makes it practically much more dangerous to own guns and carry them (because you will just got shot by a cop and the cop won't even get in trouble they can just say "they looked dangerous") and also makes a culture of responsible gun ownership way harder to grow because the societal conditions around it are aggressively hostile to leftwing people owning guns.

Listen to the way centrists talk about the threat of violence from the far left and far right in the US, of course there are shitty, dangerous people on the left, but to compare the two as if there were similar amounts of violence coming from both is a ridiculous misstatement of reality.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The fuck are you talking about, cops don't ask what your political lean is...if they want to shot you they will. Being a responsible gun owner also has nothing to do with politics, get strapped and keep the 4 rules in mind. There are a ton of us on the left who own guns and more and more are arming themselves on the left.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The fuck are you talking about, cops don’t ask what your political lean is…

As someone who noticed the difference between how police treated BLM protestors vs Jan 06 insurrectionists I think it's pretty clear that if they do have an inkling of your leanings it's gonna make a difference, at least in preconceived notions as they enter into their interaction with you, and how aggressively they come at you in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well, it's worth noting that one group was armed, and the other wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Depending on what you are implying regarding which was which, I have a hunch we aren't going to agree on that detail, and I'm doubtful either will change the others mind, so I'm just going to cut this off here.

Edited because my original wording was nearly gibberish.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm saying the insurrectionists were armed, as well as the idiot protestors outside of many State Capitol buildings, and so the cops are a lot more apprehensive about harassing or confronting them than they were towards BLM protestors. There was a lot more at play on January 6th than just being armed though, including ideological alignment, and support from high level politicians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Ah, I misinterpreted not only who you were saying was armed, but also your implied result.

I agree, but that just makes police look even worse than if it were mere bigotry and bias.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago

Whats funny is I keep hearing about bots and operatives on Lemmy that go around promoting things that arent the status quo like we are the next social media. And the kind of people saying it thinks everyone needs to stick to a party line or else! Like or else what? If I do not love every thing Big Dem is pushing, I am a Russian shill bot trying to destroy America. The downvotes you have are from people barely able to form thoughts past doing what they are told.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah - in non US places gun ownership only means one thing: you own a gun. It says nothing about your politics. And yes, US democrats being referred to as “left” is ridiculous. The Democrat party wouldn’t even be a centrist party in most (western) democracies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Believe it or not, there are plenty of Democrat and Republican gun owners alike who view gun ownership the same as you do, and don't make it their entire identity, political or otherwise. We just don't get constantly exposed to that reality, because it doesn't make for interesting headlines, or divisive online debate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Good. I’m glad. I had my suspicions that was the case but it’s nice to have it confirmed by an insider. I always struggled to believe that an entire nation of so many millions of people would have a one size fits all pro/anti stance on any one topic; it’d be absurd.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Shit in Amerika the kind of soda you drink can get you called a commie libruhl

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Pepsi - the choice of a new generation… of woke, pronoun-shifting libtards. As an aside I like your spelling. It’s reminded me to listen to Ice Cube’s Amerikkka’s Most Wanted again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the ussr worked with pepsi and almost gave them a naval force

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I remember that now you mention it. Bartering with a super power seemed crazy to me back then. It’s amazing how little seems to have genuinely improved for Russians (specifically) since the fall of the USSR - we had high hopes of a new age but… gestures broadly at the current state of Europe and shakes head.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Some day you'll have an original thought and it is going to scare you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you familiar with sarcasm / irony / satire? I’m quoting and subsequently mangling a slogan from 1985. (c. Forty years ago) Surely you haven’t taken that comment at face value?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly I think its just that you overestimate how effective your satire is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just had to check I wasn’t miraculously back on Apollo trawling the Snoo site. Thanks for the laugh…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Wow, what a chantard thing to say. I think I should be flattered.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

Republicans "support" guns up until black people start marching with them.

Democrats "oppose" guns except for the police who shoot black people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Democrats don't oppose guns. Democrats are for base-level gun control. Republicans are insane, NRA-supporting fools who would rather 5 year old children get massacred weekly instead of have any potential gun controls.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

We have lots of gun controls. Are you satisfied with the gun controls we have in place?