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Tumblr and Wordpress to Sell Users’ Data to Train AI Tools (www.404media.co)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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this could not be timed worse for Tumblr which is in huge hot water with its userbase already for its CEO breaking his sabbatical to ban a prominent trans user for allegedly threatening him (in a cartoonish manner), and then spending a week personally justifying it increasingly wildly across several platforms. the rumors had already been swirling that this would occur, but this just cements that they were correct

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There is no hidden transaction, you signed up for a service to:

Upload your content so they send copies to whoever asks.

In exchange, they used to show you ads, and that was fair. Then, they started collecting your browsing data and selling that too... that is a second transaction, and got regulated. Now, they are selling a service of bundling together the content people asked them to share in the first place.

In your analogy, you asked them to send your nuts and bolts for free. In exchange, they advertised stuff to you. Then they started collecting the addresses of your clients... that was not fine. Now, they're throwing nuts and bolts from multiple people into a box and selling it as a "sampler kit", nuts and bolts you did ask them to send for free.

Did you not understand the value of your product? Maybe, but you asked them to do it anyway... and you're doing the same by posting content right here. 🤷

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

It is a hidden transaction. They try to argue it both ways, that it's an exchange of access for data, but then they hide the data in the fine print. When you buy something, the price isn't in the fine print, it's front and centre. When you buy insurance, they have to provide a "key facts page" where they detail what you're paying for in general terms. The key parts being exchanged are supposed to be at the forefront, not hidden in the terms and conditions.

People don't understand the value of their product because businesses hide that part in the terms and conditions to inhibit their ability to properly assess the value.

In your analogy, you asked them to send your nuts and bolts for free. In exchange, they advertised stuff to you. Then they started collecting the addresses of your clients... that was not fine. Now, they're throwing nuts and bolts from multiple people into a box and selling it as a "sampler kit", nuts and bolts you did ask them to send for free.

I didn't ask them, they advertised their service in bright lights saying it was free. Then, the fine print at the point of entry says they can pick the pockets of their guests.

You really are trying to advocate for the devil here, and I think if you take a step back you'll see that you're just parroting the same arguments they make. Such arguments have not been properly challenged yet, but if you stack them up against the core principles of contract law - through which all trade is conducted - they are clearly wrong.