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It's a very good and thorough analysis, pretty much every live action remake of everything falls into the same trap of cutting substance/context in favor of having "cool" fight/action scenes. Unless an adaptation is extremely faithful to the original it will devolve into what kind of cool visuals can we do and then the actual substance of why those things happen and the point the writer was trying to illustrate is lost.
Also very insidious for the show to not include Saka putting on the Kioshi warriors' costume because it would be seen as promoting drag/cross-dressing in kids media, that is one of the most memorable parts of that episode and it makes no sense not to include it other than to be as marketable as possible. Makes me wonder how the one piece live action will deal with it when they get to it, whether it's the director's choice in this adapation or something top down from the current netflix execs.
They left the kioshi warrior dress part out? Aw man, that was one of the most important moments for Sokka's character. I never recognized that as drag before now.
Yeah. I hated how they cut that part.
They replaced Sokka's character growth with teenagers wanting to fuck. (they even added a scene were both of them lie on top of each other while training and then blushing) 🙄
The thing is: The action is not even good. They have Netflix money and are adapting Avatar. A show which deliberately coded different martial arts techniques to different elements and went into great detail to properly animate all the martial arts styles.
And then they refuse to choreograph proper martial arts! Sorry, Lady Kyoshi, could you please stop waving those CGI effects around so we can see some fucking martial arts, for Christ's sake?
Ehh… the benders do a lot of hand-to-hand fighting. Like actual martial arts fighting. In the middle of bending, when they get really up close.
The bending not being martial enough is not one of my complaints.
They just murdered all the characters imo. Aang is a caricature of a children’s show protagonist, giving “life lesson” speeches at the end of every episode. Katara is a perfectly caring and thoughtful wise woman. Sokka is extremely understanding and open. Zukko is hurt but from the get-go is made out to be “actually a really good person”. They are all basically flawless besides minor issues of self-doubt.
All the major character development beats were just removed… Aang hearing the council speak of removing him from Gyatso’s care and running away before Gyatso comes and says he will never let that happen… Sokka being bigoted and learning to be more accepting by seeing the world… Iroh being aloof, wise but distant, and learning to be more honest (with himself) after losing Zuko, and that he must be an active person in the world after meeting the Gaang. Zuko being misguided and cruel, and learning to connect with who he was, his mother, after losing everything once again…
I hate this remake man. It removes all the best parts of ATLA, and doesn’t put in anything new or better in their places.
Don't get me wrong: The biggest issue i have is with the writing. However, the original show was a blend of great characters, amazing worldbuilding and stunning martial arts animation.
I figured that if I didn't enjoy the writing, maybe the martial arts were a bit better and I could enjoy those.
But you can barely see what the fighters are doing because of the quick cuts. Watch the dojo scene in the Matrix and compare it to the fighting In the Netflix show. Simply no comparison.
And I get that this is done with children. But that's what body doubles are for.
When they said "remix" maybe they meant of the "movie". Flipping show is done just make minor edits here and there fans didn't like or wanted and move on or just go full ember island players.
Imo, you just can’t make changes for the worse. That’s just it. Make changes, but for the better. Or differently good. But never for the worse…
I don’t think you can remake show like ATLA for the better, because the OG show is pretty much perfect. They can only remake the show for money, which by definition makes it worse.
Yeah didn't leave the show wanting more.
All I ever wanted was to see the grown-up Gaang… And we’re getting that! As an animated movie!
Like THAT is what the people want!!
I kind of wanted Ang to be chill for the rest of his days cause I felt like he earned it but we all know that's not what happened. Maybe even slice of life epilogue we got in lord of the rings.
Lol but I want to see more avatars. Like there's got to be 50 at least with no impact to orignal story.
Ah yeah I’d love to see more avatars, in different time periods.
I know we all dislike Legend of Korra, and most people dislike this specific episode, but I love the avatar Wan storyline. It wasn’t perfect, but I loved the idea of “ancient history” for the world of Avatar.
For the Gaang… I see the end of the show as the beginning of reconstruction. And I’d love to see what Sokka and Zuko in particular were up-to during that. They seem to have been incredibly important, and with good reason right? That’s a story I’m interested in.
Rebuilding a connected world after the Fire Nation empire fell.
I sometimes wonder if I should rewatch Korra now that I'm older a see if maybe I judged it too harshly. I rewatched last air bender and it was just better. I actually thought Wan got shafted. There was alot of potential there for content. Like it's the spirit realm, it's almost limitless potential.
I can see where you are going but I would imagine it would feel very different than the orignal show.
Late reply, but you should.
I like Korra better. I think most people dislike it just because they immediately watch it after ATLA, which is unfortunate.
Another aspect that's underappreciated is the sheer number of parallels/connections between the shows. After poking through this for awhile (then recognizing it in a rewatch), the two shows feels more like a cohesive whole... 2 cycles of the Avatar. The sheer number of callbacks that must be intentional are mind-boggling.
https://avatarparallels.tumblr.com/tagged/both/page/169
You should read the comics.
It could be different… I’m not an overly skeptical person. Different things can be good.
What on earth are you talking about? The different styles are clear as day. Of course when you get an avatar you're going to get a lot of CGI, what did you expect? Kyoshi winging around ribbons on a stick?
I'm not talking about not doing the element effects with CGI. I'm talking about shooting some martial arts so that you can actually see what's going on. You know, like the original show did.
Or maybe something like they did in the Matrix movies. Competent shots of martial arts, enhanced with CGI elemental effects. The fight scenes in the live action version are boring.
Boring? Really? Because you can actually see the different styles of martial arts being done. I guess you're just used to all the pizzazz and twirly shit.
I'm sure the actors put a lot of effort in the martial arts scenes. It's a shame I can't see shit with all the cuts they do.
Compare these scenes with the Matrix movies' martial arts scenes. Or Jackie Chan movies, or Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. Or ATLA/TLOK.
You never see the motions play out and cut away too quickly, the fight scenes just get tedious to watch.
Umm... Have you seen the martial arts styles the original show used?