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Pros of golf carts and neighborhood electric vehicles (NEVs) replacing all private cars within a city:

  • Only goes as fast as a bicycle, so isn't a viable suburban commuter vehicle, meaning you'll probably only take it to the nearest transit station
  • Only goes as fast as a bicycle, so isn't likely to kill people
  • Excellent visibility, so less likely to run over children
  • Much smaller and lighter, so building parking garages for park-and-rides would be a lot cheaper and less objectionable than with our current style of cars
  • Electric
  • Smaller batteries than jumbo EVs
  • Compatible with dense, transit-oriented city development
  • Could be installed with mandatory speed limiters

Cons:

  • Less profit for GM and ExxonMobil
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[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My mom lives 100km away from the city, there are no busses or trains going there. How long should I need to travel to go visit my mom for the day? In a car it takes between an hour and an hour 20. At an average bicycle speed (for a fit cyclist) it would take me 4-5 hours to get to her, I can then have a cup of coffee, turn around and start heading back so I don't get home too late.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is a problem with the transit authority then, no? Advocate for better transit options where u r then.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Listen, for the last 16 years we have had non stop scheduled blackouts. Going from maybe 2-4 hours a day to now up to 12 hours a day. They can't even buy the right trains for the tracks we have.. If you'd like to change it, good luck to you, the politicians don't care, they're just there to enrich themselves.

Not everyone lives in a perfect utopia.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not everyone lives in a perfect utopia.

No one does

I'm sorry to hear that u'r living in such a place. This community is attempting to bring awareness to such places (which are the majority of human settlements unfortunately). We can change this, no? We can (and I would say we ought to) make the world a better place for ourselves and our kids, no?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

My mom lives there, I left 3 years ago because the economy is in shambles and crime is out of control. Can I change it? No. Can any of the people I know change it? No. It's like farting against thunder in that place, it's been a downward trend since the end of Mandela's presidency and the majority want the ANC to be in control, and the ANC keeps everyone uneducated enough to be able to use simple propaganda, gifts and lies to keep getting voted in term after term. I watched my country fall apart and be robbed blind by the corrupt government, I saw as more and more of her people lived in squalor and I was helpless to do anything about it. It hurt me enough that I had to leave, there was nothing I could do. Now I don't have a car.

The point of my original comment is that cars are great for travelling long distances to places where there is no public transport, limiting them to bicycle speed negates all of that and will hinder people's lives to an insane degree. Like for instance I would then probably need to take vacation to visit my mom for it to be worth the 10 hours of travel. And that's not even going into the fact that you have to travel on one of the most dangerous highways in SA, if you break down or stop, it is guaranteed that you will be robbed or killed, if there's heavy traffic, it's guaranteed that some will be robbed in the traffic jam. Going down that highway at night at 25km/h is asking to get murdered or raped.

While a carless utopia and "just change it" are great ideas and all. Reality is far from that easy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm so sorry for what you had to go through. I live in a shithole like this as well (thankfully m moving soon). I'm sorry you had to leave the place you grew up in. I'm sorry that you have to see your country fall apart right in front of your eyes. Trust me, I know the feeling. I know how much it hurts.

While a carless utopia and “just change it” are great ideas and all. Reality is far from that easy.

Absolutely correct! Far from easy, but not impossible. The people in this community (like not fuckcars specifically, but progressives in general) are trying to do this.

Also, they are not telling you specifically to give up your car. In fact, many of them use cars themselves. They are attempting to influence policy such that we can have transit centric infrastructure. Noone here would tell you to bike 10 hours to visit your mum.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

I'm sorry you're going through it too. I visited last year, it was the first time in 3 years and I miss it so much, but know there's no future there for me. I hope where ever you are going will be good for you. It's hard leaving home.

I now live in a place where I can get pretty much everywhere with a train, subway or bus, but I do still miss the freedom of having a car sometimes, especially when it comes to getting stuff from the hardware store, lol.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You use a train like the rest of the civilised world. Should take 30 minutes or something like , you can spend the time you saved helping end car dependency

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

there are no trains going there though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Some countries don't have trains, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

You need to read and not skim read..