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Kind of weird given that last week she was just supporting Ukraine. I'm confused right now. Like, Wagner coup level confused.
Wdym, there are plenty of ultras that hate Russia and also capitalism in general
Ok, I guess that makes a bit more sense. I remember everyone called her a lib though. I even wrote it into my fanfic, better change it to something else...
Also can you guys explain this to me? https://lemmy.ml/post/1181911 (it's a lemmy link but it's from lemmygrad)
I’m sure I’m in for a fun ride with this question, but what’s wrong with supporting Ukraine?
Like as opposed to what, Russia?
nazis. also USA.
Oh yes the nazis, classic. Ok just wondering if you people actually had something to say.
You're talking about it as if it's not true.
You’re right, I am.
They banned all other languages in official capacities, incorporates several nazi military formations into their armed forces, have a state funded cult of worshipping nazi collaborateurs, and their forces somehow can never be seen without wearing nazi insignia - UPA patches usually, but also Wehrmacht and SS ones, celtic crosses from time to time, slogans like "white power", 1488 ones.
Also have banned all opposition parties, no elections, murder dissidents, derliberately killing civilians. The usual charming stuff.
The new Ukraine government was put into power by NATO, which has been expanding towards Russia. The whole war is a proxy! There would've been white peace long ago if NATO hadn't continuously forced Ukraine to war. And how do you deny all those nazi symbols Ukrainian soldiers have been seen wearing?
White peace when? After the first time Russia invaded and took Crimea? Whose to say tomorrow they wouldn’t want more? If Ukraine felt the need to join NATO, it’s because of the imperialistic threat from Russia.
And there are nazis all over these days in case you didn’t notice. I’m sure those cities Russia destroyed were all just full of real Nazis!
Because you say so? Because nato has a history of invading their neighbors?
Oh wait no that’s Russia
Takes one to know one I guess. I won’t defend nayo actions in iraq but Russia engages in terrorist and criminal actions on a global scale. I don’t blame any country seeking defensive support against such a neighbor.
More of this nazi bullshit. First it was “some soldiers with insignia”, now it’s being run by them?
You’re the real nazi.
See how I can just say anything without evidence to back it up? It’s so easy!
“The military” is not, and azov was a private group that they have integrated into their military due to the existential crisis of being invaded by Russia.
Many countries have a problem now with far right extremists. Why don’t you tell me about Rusich group? Russia has their own Nazi problems, maybe we should invade them?
No defense for Russian Nazis? I guess you agree Russia should be invaded and cleansed too.
I already told you about rusich group. And yes they’re funded by Russia.
But if your argument is that Russia should destroy Ukraine wouldn't it be extremely relevant to examine the Russian military and their ties to Nazi groups? If, like you say, Ukraine hiring a Nazi paramilitary group makes the entire Ukrainian government Nazis then we should make sure they aren't taken over by a government who did the exact same thing.
It’s ok I know you had defense for it. Keep trying troll.
Go join the Russian army, I hear they treat you super nice
Nothing wrong with supporting Ukraine when it comes to the war itself, but supporting Zelinski beyond that is a bad look since he's displayed significant authoritarian tendencies with actions democratic countries would normally condemn, such as instituting mandatory military service for all men without any exceptions, banning opposition parties under false pretenses and possibly prolonging the war in favor of a costly (not least in terms of human lives) and probably impossible to achieve aim of decisive victory rather than negotiated peace.
Add to that the fact that the NATO presently in a symbiotic propaganda relationship with Zelinski isn't the automatically correct peacekeeping force that it has mostly been portrayed as in Western media, but rather an enforcer of military and economic imperialism that bear some (but of course not the majority, nobody forced Putin to invade) of the blame for starting the war as their broken promises to not expand east was part of the reason why the christofascist dictator wrongly decided that an invasion was justified if not downright necessary.
There's your explanation why having an amicable meeting with Zelinski doesn't gel with being left wing and anticapitalist. It'll probably be hated by most for not painting either side as pure as the driven snow and automatically correct about everything, but that's just how it is 🤷