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Shoot them? I mean you have guns over there right, so for fuck sake use them at least once for a good reason.
Exactly. Americans are always going on about how they need guns to defend themselves from tyranny.
You have tyranny marching on your streets. Just go and shoot them with your guns. What’s the issue?
What's the issue?
You don't see any issue in allowing vigilante justice where civilians are free to murder people on the streets that have differing opinions from that of their own? Is this the world you want to live in? You think there's any chance the outcome might be something different than what you hoped for?
Being nazi is "having a differing opinion"?
I doubt nazis have any opinions that differ from his.
It is when more than half the cops and 1/3 of the politicians share the same rancid and destructive ideal.
And we are forced to pretend they are normal people and let them speak at our schools and walk our streets.
Opinion, world view, religion, sexuality, race ...
This isn't about just nazies. If one advocates for a world where common people are allowed to take justice into their own hands and just murder people perceived to be bad then that is a horribly violent world where nobody is safe. I would be making the exact same argument on a right wing forum where someone suggest we should just shoot the communists. That's a horribly ignorant thing to say.
It literally is just about literal nazis. Yes, they should shoot Nazis until Nazis go away again.
Pacifism didn’t win WW2, and it won’t win now. This “enlightened centrist” take is why this is happening again. Libs, socDems, demSocs, anarchists, Marxists and communists need to realize that fascism is here. It’s not going away with “talks.”
Don’t think I don’t recognize what you’re saying. Deal with your tankie problem after the fascism, not before. Hold the hate for later. The fascists will use our disagreements against us. Don’t let them. We need all hands on deck. If the United States and Britain can work together with tankies to defeat fascism, you can too.
People here are literally advocating murdering others for thought crimes. They only need to hold a set of certain beliefs and that is a good enough justification to murder them. No, actually it's even worse; people only need to think you hold a set of beliefs and that's enough. One doesn't need a PhD. to figure out how a society acting in that way will go sideways in a heartbeat.
Not thought crimes. Marching in the streets with literal swastikas on flags. Their "set of certain beliefs" killed 17 million people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims) as part of their beliefs: and that's without counting the deaths they caused by starting a war.
It's not some clever gotcha to pretend this is a grey area. It's not folks saying to go after GOP members, people in militias that are dogwhistling, or even the Proud Boys. It's not folks that loudmouths on twitter are claiming are nazis. The issue here is literal fucking nazis. I actually have a PhD, and I consider it wise to chase literal goddamn nazis out of town with violence. Tolerating the most extreme intolerance is not a path toward a good future.
Ask Heather Heyer if she thinks Nazism is just a thought crime?
Read about the Paradox of Tolerance before the leopards eat your face.
They're Nazis you prat.
Nazis, dude. "Perceived," my ass.
I'm not talking about just nazies.
Also, vigilante justice like this means there is no court process and investigation about wether said person actually is guilty of the crime they're accused of. Innocent people will fall victim to it aswell. I'm sure there are more that one people in this thread thinking I'm a literal nazi aswell but I'm not and murdering me would mean murdering a person for "crime" they did not commit.
Cool. What other groups are you talking about?
Yes, you fucking are.
Making death threats is already illegal in the US, i don't see how waving nazi flags doesn't fall under that.
You're not allowed to murder people on the streets for making death threats either.
Yes, unless you share that same opinion, then it's just the same. Welcome to the world, some people suck and you might not agree with all of them. That doesn't give you the power to be supreme leader over all of nature.
They. Are. Nazis.
The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
Either you clean them out now, or they take over.
History is VERY clear on this point.
We failed to clean them out 100 years ago. They've all but completely taken over at this point. November may be the last vote that counts for anything we get. And people are far too calm about it.
They are Nazis. Vigilante justice is the reason for the 2nd amendment.
Maybe you misunderstood this is about Nazis.
Everyone I don't agree with is a Nazi. Come up with a better reason for your argument.
They have an actual Nazi flag
Yeah, the founding fathers that lived in the 1800's had a Nazi flag. They built Hitler, its all a conspiracy. Owning a gun has nothing to do with being a Nazi...
The fuck are you on about.
They are literal Nazis you prat.
if it's only Nazis I'm completely fine with it. Shot those fucks.
We tried calling in the police but strangely they were all busy with some other event.
Laundering their white hoods, of course.
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Yeah, I don't know if free speech covers this.
We (Allies) never made peace with the Nazis. We crushed their military and hanged any officials that didn't eat cyanide, but there was no treaty or surrender. We didn't even let the Germans govern themselves until we could figure out who wasn't a Nazi.
I would argue that anyone who flies that flag is effectively pledging allegiance to an enemy. And like... The enemy. The guys who industrialized genocide and literally tried to take over the world.
So idk about shooting them if they're just jerking each other off in the street. But I would like to channel Aldo Raine and carve swastikas into their foreheads.
Dude come on. Plenty of officials in West Germany after the war were Nazis. We took Nazis and used them in NASA. The US loves Nazis if they serve the ruling class or are the alternative to socialism.
Good luck with that more than half our nations cops are on the fascist's side.
Half? Police is literally a fascist institution - ie, funded and manipulated into existence by capitalists to protect their power and privilege from the people they exploited to get said power and privilege in the first place.
It's not half - it's all of them by default.
My estimate is that only about half would actually march under the banner if there was no social consequences. I could be wrong but I've known a few hundred cops.
They are marching "under the banner" right now - every time they put on that uniform, in fact. Nobody forced them to be hencherproletariat - traitors and opressors to their own class - did they?
The west made peace with nazis when they saved nazism by filling Germany's post-war intelligence services with them. That, and the fact that the ruling elites in the west never gave up it's admiration of them in the first place.
And something tells me these nazis ain't bright enough to get paperclipped.
The cops get really pissy about that for some reason. Guns for me (and my Nazi buddies) but not for thee, i guess.