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Wait, is this real? Surely this is parody, right?
There are a number of really weird things with old D&D lore.
“Wouldn’t it be cool if…”
"Some incredibly unhinged shit..."
No this was the lore.
Hell one of 3.5 edition's strongest monsters, from the the published books, was the undead, aborted, fetus, that was the product of the rape of another god, or celestial/hell/abyssal creature, by a god of opposing alignment, like an angel raped by an evil god.
They were just keeping with the strong tradition established by the Greeks and Romans of gods that rape everyone and everything.
Not really sure what the hubub is. It's lore for a dark thing in a fantasy world. It's like an unpopular opinion on c/unpopularopinion . You don't like it, persay, but it's effective content.
Just as an FYI, that's "per se"
I literally spoke at my phone, call Dr. Googl
Right in the persay.
Persay Jackson?
The issue is due to two primary factors.
First the biology of humanoids in D&D precludes something like this, doubly so when elven gestation cycles is considered. The differences between drow and other elves is not huge. They have some minor physiological differences, and some minor magical bonuses. They would have to be completely different creatures for this aspect of pregnancy to work. They could have said something like their genetics are so competitive one ends up absorbing the others early in development, like vanishing twin syndrome, because the dominant one consumes all available nutrients killing the other embryos. However the explanation makes it clear they are physically killing each other. This, topped with the erotic element, is just bad world/lore building. Bad lore that only exists to be edgy, which is bad storytelling.
The second big issue is that this is mainline D&D. Mainline D&D is not a grimdark setting. This isn't Warhammer. D&D also has settings for this type of thing. To a lesser extent, places like Ravenloft, which can get pretty edgy, but this would be pushing it, even there. Others would be settings like Dark Sun, which is pretty much built for edgelord storytelling. Though the bad world building surrounding the discrepancies between drow and the rest of the elves would make for bad storytelling even in such a place. If you create a set of rules of nature, those rules can be whatever, but you need to not break those rules. Going through the basic lore of an otherwise typical high fantasy setting, people aren't expecting to come across cartoonish edgelord shit like this.
I guess we disagree, and that's fine.
I believe any setting with undead has firmly entered the grim arena, even if not fully branded as such.
Dnd is a rich world, imo a richer world but capturing wholesome, classical adventure, and grim concepts. The edge of grim can indeed be...edgy.
It's not for everyone, or every character to want to learn about, because it's literally evil, and alignments.
The world if fuller with good, and bad. (And edgy)
Which is fine, when it's actually good world building. This particular thing, when you consider all the rules set forth for the biology of the creature, just shoots down that richer world for the sake of, murder fetus gets mom off.
Are you talking about Atropus? Or some other unborn God?
They are called atropals but are not kin to Atropus. Atropus is an actual god and is the size of a moon. Atropals are abominations and large size category, they also lack divine rank.
Oh wow. I knew about them but I guess the FR wiki excised all the gross lore.
Maybe I won't put those in my game. I was considering it because they seemed similar to Atropus, who is my ultimate big bad.