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disarm the police. they do not need to be armed their entire shifts. if they approached this house without lethal weapons, how many people would be dead right now?
zero. the answer is zero.
do not let cowards have lethal armament
Police should have access to weapons, but they should be locked in the car and require remote unlock when they actually need them.
Or maybe leave them to trained professionals they can call for support.
That might work in cities with a reasonable response time.
Or maybe just fucking train them. 6 months is supposed to be enough? You need more than that to cut someone's fucking hair.
The problem is they attend conferences that brainwash them into thinking that every person they interact with is seconds away from pulling a machine gun out of their pocket and mowing them all down. To make things worse, their word is also treated as gospel by a large portion of the population so generic terms like "I feared for my safety" (along with qualified immunity) is all they need to avoid any sort of accountability.
the police training in the united states is a complete disaster.
theres no standardization, no requirement for any kind of conformity. you have random contractors and "state schools" teaching officers that every interaction with anyone, ever is a threat to their life. seriously.
they actively reject 'students' who question questionable practices. they reject people who test 'too intelligent'.
the entire system is designed to attract, and keep the worst kind of people.
It's well known in most countries that only hunters and cowards own guns, so are you saying we should disarm everyone bar the hunters?
i believe the police in their normal day to day operation do not need to be lethally armed.
they turn simple transactions into life threatening events with almost no benefit to the public.
this is a perfect example. if the police only had, say tasers and this guy comes walkin out with a gun. is he going to run? not possible. do you really think he would just start shooting a block full of police officers? no of course not.
but the cowardice is part of police training. shoot first, question later and be sure to empty the fucking clip.
I would love to see all the people asking to disarm police officers apply for the job once we do. But its so easy to make these claims from the safety of your house. Who cares about actual realistic solutions?
ha, the old 'youll be sorry, you just wait!' . yeah i heard this one a bit from several officers, but in my anecdotal experience most actually didnt care about their sidearm a that much. its a reality that most officers never use the gun in the line of duty, which adds to my point.
form the inside, its amazing that the exact type of officers you would expect, react to this thought experiment the worst. IE, the best cops dont care about carrying lethal weapons their entire shift. the shittiest cops i worked with freaked the fuck out if you even kind of mention taking away their 'power'. all anecdotal from one small burg, but damn if it wasnt fucking accurate.
shitty cops seem to lust firearms
Well, I am not from the US, so maybe my perception is wrong. Or maybe you have a selection bias for some reason, e.g. living in a safe are.
Either way, if enough cops are ok with it then go ahead, and have them not carry firearms. No issue then.
youre not wrong in that there are parts of the united states that are mini war zones, and disarming the police wouldnt make sense. but those are outliers. its a huuge country and youre talkin <1% of officers. lets make exemptions where needed.
there is no "united states police", and so we have 50 tiny countries each with their own versions (city,county,state) of different kinds of police forces, and barely any of it is coordinated or standardized.
Sounds good then
You idiots act like it isn't the norm in nearly every other modern nation for cops not to have firearms at all times.
Never once, in my life, has the presence of a cop's gun made me feel more safe. Literally the opposite. And I'm white.
Suprise, not all nations are the same. But hey, if the cops agree or you can find replacement cops for those that don't, then go for it.
It is just funy to me that people have so many ideas how cops could do their jobs better, and hate on them but refuse to actually become cops and put it in practice.
The thin blue line would make sure I would die quickly, well before I could push for change.
Cause that's how cops roll.
How does that work? I thought being a cop was not so dangerous that they needed a gun at all times...
UK police only carry a baton and pepper spray my dude. Last I checked, they weren't hurting for recruitment.
UK has almost no privately owned guns. US has more guns than people and its gun laws are nuts.
UK leading by example then. But riddle me this, how often is a firearm needed for an officer doing their everyday duties? Traffic stops, patrols, responding to calls. How often is it explicitly needed to be actively carrying a loaded firearm to a inherently non violent situation before having assessed it? I honestly have no idea. Is the expectation in the US that you'll just get straight up murdered for doing your job? Is that how you guys live?
That's the gist of what they're taught, yeah. It shouldn't take much digging to find "training" videos that are essentially: cop walks up to man in parking lot, man pulls a knife and lunges at cop instantly. The moral? Everyone is ready to kill you.
How often do you need your seatbelt? Should you still wear it anyway? And there are situations when wearing a seatbelt can kill you where you would survive without it.
The idea is the same with cops. A properly trained cop carying a weapon all the time would be safer overall by being able to react to violent situations while not posing a threat in non-violent ones. The issue is how incredibly undertrained most US cops are.
And yes, if they are not sufficiently trained, they should not carry a gun period. Not in their car, not anywhere.
Do you think all countries arm all of their regular police officers with firearms?
Most countries don't have more guns than people in them.
Which is another argument in favor of gun control.
Obviously. I am pro gun relatively to where I live but the US gun laws are crazy. You should do something about that.
Historically speaking, police are both cowards and hunters