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New gender gap (lemmy.ml)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

being gay is more accepted. there’s also much less pressure to conform to masculine standards. e.g., being able to talk about feelings, expressing yourself in fashion/makeup, joining in traditionally feminine careers like ~~nursing~~/teaching (both of which have exploded in the past 50 years). just to name a few

~~they also haven’t used the draft in 50 years~~

edit: striked through things are either factually incorrect (nursing) or more nuanced than my original comment implied (military draft)

[–] Isoprenoid 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

being gay is more accepted.

Fair. A win for all.

there’s also much less pressure to conform to masculine standards. e.g., being able to talk about feelings

Not the wider experience. Men are still stigmatised for expressing themselves. Example: how often do men get to be emotionally vulnerable in a public setting compared to women?

joining in traditionally feminine careers like nursing/teaching

This is flat out wrong, it's actually getting worse.

https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/gender-equality-and-through-teaching-profession

Sex ratios in healthcare occupations: population based study.

they also haven’t used the draft in 50 years

That's because there are enough men who are financially destitute, who sell their lives into the military.

Don't need a draft when there is enough blood money going around.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

you’re right about the teachers thing, my apologies for getting things mixed up. from what i can see, i was right about the nursing thing though. here’s a source from columbia verifying that nursing has increased 10x since 1997: https://www.nursing.columbia.edu/news/many-more-men.

Not the wider experience. Men are still stigmatised for expressing themselves. Example: how often do men get to be emotionally vulnerable in a public setting compared to women?

my claim wasn’t that men are no longer stigmatized, i was only trying to suggest that it’s better now than it was before. there is still a long way to go.

That's because there are enough men who are financially destitute, who sell their lives into the military. Don't need a draft when there is enough blood money going around.

i agree with this point is general, but i think financial destitution is something that is on the rise for both men and women. you bring up a good point that the decrease in people getting drafted isn’t the win i originally thought it was, so i’ll take that off the list.

things like this made the original question a bit tricky to answer: i can think of many ways in which things have gotten better/worse for both men and women, but i can’t really think of ways in which things have gotten better/worse for men. i can think of a lot of ways things have gotten better for women though (and some ways things have gotten worse)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

The fact that I can't wear a skirt in public without facing backlash, but a woman wearing pants is seen as normal makes me feel like there is still a lot of progress we have to make. I guess it's equivalent would be women going topless casually. I really hate conservative/puritan values.