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Isn't that dangerous to discose the bug while the largest version is still 18.5 ? https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/versions
Timing on publishing these is tricky. We let most server runners know about this ~a month ago now, and we're now 2 versions past the bug.
Interesting, thanks, I didn't know you communicated this to the admins before
As far as I'm aware the most widely-accepted standard for responsible disclosure is 90 days. This is a little different, since that's normally between businesses and includes the time needed to develop a solution; it's not typically aimed at federated or self-hosted applications rolling out an already-created patch. On the one hand, granting them that extra time to upgrade seems reasonable. On the other, wouldn't anyone wanting to exploit a vulnerability be able to reverse-engineer it pretty easily by reading the git history?
I dunno where I land on this, tbh.
The 90 days disclosure you're referencing, which I believe is primarily popularized by Google's Project Zero process, is the time from when someone discovers and reports a vulnerability to the time it will be published by the reporter if there is no disclosure by the vendor by then.
The disclosure by the vendor to their users (people running Lemmy instances in this case) is a completely separate topic, and, depending on the context, tends to happen quite differently from vendor to vendor.
As an example, GitLab publishes security advisories the day the fixed version is released, e.g. https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2024/01/11/critical-security-release-gitlab-16-7-2-released/.
Some vendors will choose to release a new version, wait a few weeks or so, then publish a security advisory about issues addressed in the previous release. One company I've frequently seen this with is Atlassian. This is also what happened with Lemmy in this case.
As Lemmy is an open source project, anyone could go and review all commits for potential security impact and to determine whether something may be exploitable. This would similarly apply to any other open source project, regardless of whether the commit is pushed some time between releases or just before a release. If someone is determined enough and spends time on this they'll be able to find vulnerabilities in various projects before an advisory is published.
The "responsible" alternative for this would have been to publish an advisory at the time it was previously privately disclosed to admins of larger instances, which was right around the christmas holidays, when many people would already be preoccupied with other things in their life.
why haven't they upgraded yet?
19.0 and 19.1 broke federation.
19.2 restored federation.
19.3, released this week, fixed an authentication issue.
Seems you are either non-functional or insecure
Those didn't completely break federation, they just had some issues with a few services besides lemmy. They're addressed now, but federation compatibility will always be an ongoing task as new services get added and existing ones change their activitypub responses.
Happy to be past that indeed
oy. ok
0.18.6 would make sense TBH.