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What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time? (lemmy.wtf)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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When talking about the best games of all time people generally mention Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario 64, Halo 3, The Last of Us, Nier Automata, etc. , but dismiss other great games.

What games do you think are unfairly forgotten from this conversation?

Personally I think the original Dead Rising, Fable: The Lost Chapters, Dragon's Dogma: The Dark Arisen and Lunar: Eternal Blue should be talked as some of the best games of all time. They're such great and unique games!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

They have an exponential number of valid positions, that happen to surpass human abilities to abstract, memorize, and predict.

Chess is estimated to have 10⁴⁰ valid moves, which means not even everyone playing chess throughout all of history, have explored all of them. Like, a billion people playing 1 distinct move a second for 1400 years, would only reach about 10²⁰ moves.

They still can be trained, meaning one person can be way better than another... but a computer trained even more, can be even better... and yet the games surpass even current computers abilities to explore the full possibility space. Maybe quantum computers will be able to do that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Fun fact, mostly unrelated but something in your message reminded me: I once played against a guy at a Go club, and we had an enjoyable game but he beat me. He wanted to talk to me about the game afterwards, and he started replaying the game for me from memory so he could make commentary. He replayed a pretty decent chunk of the beginning; I honestly don't remember but I think around the first 25-30 moves of the game.

I later learned he was the visiting Go person who was just stopping by the club for social reasons but could demolish anyone. He was incredibly kind and polite.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, back in chess club at school, we also got a visit from the local (future) GM as a treat on one of the last days. He took us at something like 15 simultaneous games at once... and beat us all.

Go is slightly different; it only has one piece type, the rules are much simpler than chess, the board is much larger but with 8-fold symmetry, so the first 20-30 moves are likely to fall into some "basic" patterns in some of the octants. By comparison, the patterns in chess get hard to manage after just 10 moves, while Go pros may plan even 100 moves ahead. Where Go gets really complex, is when the patterns start meeting, and the complexity tends towards the 10¹⁷⁰ possible moves, way more than the 10⁴⁰ practical ones in chess.