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Start here! These are probably the most talked-about essays on the topic.
- The Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985) | listen
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- In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell (1932) | listen
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This is news? Of course record profits drive inflation! That's why we pay exhorbitant rates for things like gas during summer travel months. They know they have us by the short hairs and can raise prices anytime they want and people will still pay them.
As a common proletariat it infuriates me to have to pay so much for stuff and get so little in return. As an aspiring member of the bourgeoisie, if I were in charge I'd keep raising prices as far as possible to make people pay through their teeth, assholes, and nards.
It's human nature. The whole point of George Orwell's story, "Animal Farm." Let's revolt and take over the means of production so everything can be more equal. Uh oh, a group of pigs has decided they are in charge and should have a larger slice of the pie than everyone else.
And so it goes.
I'm not so convinced human history, especially with regard to collective societies, supports that idea as general statement - animal farm isn't a bible of truth that says "wealth redistribution always works this way" it's more a warning of authoritarian governments don't implement checks/balances and try to divide the population and garner support among the elite fee
This way our economy is organized is NOT how it has always been through history. It's foolish to believe it has to be this way and every single person would absolutely just keep charging more for everything given the chance. Too many orgs are out there protecting community (see nonprofits in Canada buying up city land for the express purpose stewardship and preventing price gouging or food banks with negotiating power to bulk buy groceries cheaper) to support that idea. What do i know tho right?
Yep. Hierarchy is the real enemy in Animal Farm, not collectivism.
Some pigs are more equal than other pigs.
I've seen people try to buck the system and prove that wealth distribution doesn't always work that way, and yet in the end they discover it's back to the same system again and it actually almost always does work that way.
Just sayin'. I enjoyed your comments and the feedback.
And I have seen societies that have bucked a less equitable system, and meaningfully and materially change things for the average person.
Kind of a core part of the concept of democracy is that it is meant to continuously have a feedback mechanism, continually allow for... you know, change.
It is often when societies become significantly less democratic that this change stops and things ossify...
...until the situation is so untenable for so many that they functionally revolt, often violently, though not always.
Does this always turn out well? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
This is all a very general overview.
Your view of the world amd of the history of human societies is fatalistic, self perpetuating, dismissive, and overly simplistic.
In other words, you are nearly certainly a conservative.
Your statement is simply objectively false. Almost no social system in history that has attempted to redistribute wealth more equitably and then backslid on this has /reverted to the same system/.
They are nearly always different in substantial, complex and meaningful ways.
An example, a prominent one: Russia. Russia was a feudalistic/monarchical society, things got spicy, wealth was redistributed, a lot of people died but a lot of people were a lot better off in a lot of ways. Obviously this was not perfect and had many flaws. Eventually the 'communist' system collapsed into more or less a corrupt weird sort of blend of capitalism, lots of social programs, similar amounts of oppression, lots of authoritarianism.
Not exactly 'the same system,' different in many complex and meaningful ways.
sounds very good.
Im glad you are really taking the time to intellectually engage with a complex topic instead of dismissing it casually.
Oh. Right.
Yeah I went on a bit of a communist learning journey recently and ended up saying "well this all sounds awesome, but will never happen because people suck." History has proven that as well.
Tbf the main reason it doesn't work is that the US army will napalm the shit out of your kids if you try