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Cloudflare Employee records her final meeting where HR tries to fire her (ody.sh)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I can’t give more approval for this woman, she handled everything so well.

The backstory is that Cloudflare overhired and wanted to reduce headcount, rightsize, whatever terrible HR wording you choose. Instead of admitting that this was a layoff, which would grant her things like severance and unemployment - they tried to tell her that her performance was lacking.

And for most of us (myself included) we would angrily accept it and trash the company online. Not her, she goes directly against them. It of course doesn’t go anywhere because HR is a bunch of robots with no emotions that just parrot what papa company tells them to, but she still says what all of us wish we did.

(Warning, if you've ever been laid off this is a bit enraging and can bring up some feelings)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Depends on the state and how they were hired. It could be unemployment benefits, penalties for breaking a contract, or to avoid being sued if they mostly fire people in a protected class. For the employee it is most likely severence or unemployment.

Using performance is a catchall way to avoid the possible negative outcomes for the company. All they have to do is use the metrics that result in firing the people they planned on firing anyway!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In all 50 states, firing someone with cause without cause to avoid paying them benefits is illegal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Sorry I'm having a hard time understanding what you wrote. Specifically the 'with cause without cause' part

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Firing someone by lying and saying there was a performance issue, so the company can avoid the costs associated with layoffs is against the law.

With cause (lie) without cause

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Ah ok, thank you. That makes more sense.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Firing someone "with cause", but without any real actual reason (cause), is illegal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Lying about firing someone with cause is illegal. If you’re firing someone without cause, but claiming that it’s with cause so they can’t claim unemployment. Because the company’s unemployment insurance rates increase if too many of their former employees claim it. So the company has a vested interest in avoiding layoffs without cause, because it means their UI payments will skyrocket.

So lots of companies will fabricate a reason to fire someone with cause, rather than laying them off without cause. It’s blatantly illegal, but it’s up to the employee to prove. And many former employees won’t bother with the appeals process, because UI in many states is already notoriously difficult to claim to begin with. So the company is able to get away with it. When people complain about white collar crime going unpunished, this the kind of shit they’re referring to; Companies blatantly stealing from people, then not being prosecuted for it.