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Don’t Turn Away From the Charges of Genocide Against Israel (www.nytimes.com)

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With the question of whether Israel is committing genocide in Gaza now before the International Court of Justice, the Biden administration has struck a tone of glib dismissal.

Top Israeli political and military leaders have themselves helped to bolster the case against their government. The words of Israeli officials are being offered as evidence of intent: from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urging Israelis to “remember” the Old Testament account of the carnage of Amalek (“Spare no one, but kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings,” reads one passage); to Defense Minister Yoav Gallant vowing that “Gaza won’t return to what it was before — we will eliminate everything”; to the minister of energy and infrastructure pledging, “They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave this world.” By speaking openly about destroying Gaza and dispersing its residents, Israeli leaders have publicized what has, in other cases of genocide, been hidden or denied.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What are you saying?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That whoever thinks there is a genocide in Israel is eating shovels full of Hamas propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

So you actually claim that the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, spreads Hamas propaganda?

Genocide Charge Against Israel Must Serve as a Wake-up Call

South Africa cites extensive harm to civilians in the Gaza Strip, including starvation of residents and the dire humanitarian situation. Also, "genocide" is not defined only as the acts a certain state carries out, but also as an intent to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of a certain group.

Israel's Deliberate Starvation of Gaza's Civilian Population Is a War Crime
There's No Way to 'Explain' the Degree of Death and Destruction in Gaza
Israel Killed Thousands of Children in Gaza. How Can So Many Israelis Remain Indifferent?

The fact that Israel is led by the most extremist government in its history, whose members talk about "wiping out Gaza," openly discuss the idea of transfer and call to occupy the Gaza Strip and to build settlements on it; and the fact that the public dialogue within Israel normalizes the killing of 50,000 or 100,000 Gaza residents, the starvation of a population and the withholding of humanitarian aid as an instrument of pressure on Hamas are liable to help the court in The Hague to attribute to Israel genocidal intent.
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The entirety of news all around the world claimed that the hospital strike was Israel, yet Hamas admitted internally that it was one of their shitshow rockets that broke apart in air and hit the hospital.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Your answer is irrelevant. The question was:

So you actually claim that the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, spreads Hamas propaganda?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I say it's pretty obvious that the genocide case is based on Hammas propaganda, the newspaper os reporting on it... So they kinda do it but not intentionally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Do you have any link to support your claim? Like how the Hamas propaganda machine has infiltrated Israeli media, or any media/organization etc.

I ask because so far I am aware of the Israeli lobby. Here is an Al Jazeera Investigation prooving how the Israeli lobby is influencing Britain, for instance.
The Lobby P1: Young Friends of Israel
The Lobby P2: The Training Session
The Lobby P3: An Anti-Semitic Trope
The Lobby P4: The Takedown

On the other hand I am not aware of any documentation claiming that Hamas has a strong propaganda machine. So strong that they even have Haaretz under their thumb, according to what you say.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That's an opinion piece, it contends that genocide accusations rely on the premise that comments from far-right Israeli politicians represent Israel as a whole, and as such they should be removed from power, "to persuade the world that the deranged ideas they are spreading do not reflect reality." It does not make the claim that Israel's actions are in fact a genocide, rather it says that the claim does not reflect reality and the world must be persuaded of this.
Those links to other op-eds do not appear to be part of the article, rather they are navigation links to keep readers engaged with similar articles.
Equating Israeli behaviors with the Nazi genocide against Jews is literally Hamas' social media strategy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Regarding the source you provide wiki says:

is a Washington-based non-profit press monitoring and analysis organization that was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1997

and according to Fathi (2010). p202 "Memri.org – A Tool of Enlightenment or Incitement?"

MEMRI has understood that politics today is waged in the media and it fulfills its role as a public relations, lobbying and policy-making instrument with the highest professional standard.

So having an Israeli lobbying machine talking about Hamas social media strategy, won't work for me.

[and all this while you keep upvoting yourself?]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Cool, it has links to the primary source there as well, but I thought it would be less useful to link that as I assume you don't read Arabic.

[and all this while you keep upvoting yourself?]

Damn right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Cool, it has links to the primary source there as well, but I thought it would be less useful to link that as I assume you don't read Arabic.

What you say does not make any sense ~~in the context of this conversation~~. I'm out.

[gentle reminder of a gentle text on the topic of upvoting oneself]

edit: the strikethrough

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm sorry you seem to be confused by the notion of citations in the form of links to primary sources.

Haters gonna hate. (I'm upvoting this post, too.)