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Is Israel’s treatment of Palestinians a form of apartheid? (www.latimes.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Kenneth Roth, who was executive director of Human Rights Watch from 1993 to 2022 and oversaw production of the report on apartheid, said that Israeli authorities have long insisted that ending discriminatory policies depended on peace negotiations.

But three decades on, with no real peace process in motion, that explanation “lacked credibility,” Roth said.

Israel has continued to support Jewish settlements in the West Bank, constructing “bypass roads” accessible only to the settlers and expanding military checkpoints — moves that Roth and others say all but eliminated the possibility that the West Bank could someday become an independent, contiguous Palestinian state.

“What’s left is Swiss cheese,” he said.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The article does a decent job of going into some of the nuance about the different ways the apartheid label might or might not fit things that are thing on. But in the end who cares if we can fit a class of actions into the apartheid label?

Why don't we just look at the actual actions that are taking place and discuss them for what they are. If Israel levels half of Gaza in intense bombing campaigns that kill tens of thousands of people, then we can see that and discuss what to do about it. Who cares if it doesn't fit the apartheid label.

I see similar arguments every day now where people are arguing if it's genocide or ethnic cleansing or apartheid or whatever. What does it change if you're able to cognitively classify a set of actions with the correct label?

Maybe if you justify your favorite label then you can condemn Israel/Hamas harder, but this doesn't actually change anything and it doesn't lead to greater understanding. I'd actually argue that settling on your preferred label actually leads to less understanding. That's because once you've categorized something to your satisfaction, you tend to become more blind to contradictory evidence.

For example, let's say we all agree that Israel is an "apartheid state". That label comes with a lot of baggage that's going to color our views of future actions. We might miss out on changes in Israeli laws or courts or political leadership that contradicts the apartheid label.

Better instead to try and see things clearly as they are instead of trying to force labels onto things. This takes more effort because labels serve as cognitive shortcuts, but the result is a better understanding of what's actually going on.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

I get your point, however, when we label Israel for their actions they can get convicted for their crimes and people can see more clearly the horrors that country inflict. People need labels to understand and recognize it. "if it's not genocide, it's probably justified" is what many simple people think. When we label it as something horrible, they are unable to think it's justified as it's internationally accepted as a war crime. No doubt about it. Same with apartheid. Hamas is a product of apartheid. Their actions are wrong in any way. No doubt about it. But Israel isn't a victim but an agressor. That's why labeling them is so important. So they won't get away with their war crimes and crimes against humanity.