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[–] [email protected] 47 points 10 months ago (3 children)

To be fair Janeway wasn't around at the time, so they didn't have any examples of genocide to go off of.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Didn't Sisko wipe out a whole planet because fuck you Eddington?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He just made it uninhabitable by humans. Not exactly the same as wiping it out, but since it forced displacement of a whole planet, it was genocide.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think genocide requires death

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It doesn’t, according to the actual definition.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I would love to see the source for that. e.g. Oxford Languages says

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The dictionary isn't a legal framework or international organization. The UN has a convention on genocide:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Item (c) comes the closest to what Sisko did, but he did it in a way that gave them a chance to get out, so it's not a perfect match. Forcing conditions for removing a group probably wouldn't qualify under any of these. That said, it can be a factor in Ethnic Cleansing, but the Maquis aren't really an ethnic group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Phlox, Janeway, Sisko

Damn. Lots of genocide from the good guys.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Why not Phlox?