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star wars is too woke i like the show about the socialist utopia rule (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Are we really dealing with "scarcity" at this point?

Supermarkets throw away literal millions of tonnes of food annually. "Reduce, reuse, recycle" has become a hollow mantra that cannot be truly adopted by the profit driven design philosophies of consumer products. Sustainability is being treated like some chic perk rather than a critical topic that must be taken seriously if we want any hope for our futures.

All these things are profoundly capitalist problems. Of course, it's not like marxist-leninist 'experiments' fared any better, devolving into their own variants of capitalism, but there are many other socialist ideologies to consider (such as anarchism...)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

We are, because people want luxury goods too. Post-scarcity is about being able to produce most goods with barely any human labor (would absolutely be true for food if every person on earth only worked in food production or to produce machinery needed for it), which we aren't even close to. AI and automation might get us there (though it's questionable when the cycle of just investing the newfound labor capacity into more luxuries will stop, if ever), but people are actively resisting that (reasonably so) because the current economic system basically everywhere is horribly rigged towards funnelling the excess wealth to rich individuals rather than improving the living standards of society as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Idk, I'd say we want quality goods, and are lead to believe that these desires can be fulfilled by the lofty luxury goods market which is founded more on artificial scarcity than material scarcity. Even when rare materials and expensive labour are involved the fact that this simply makes them "more valuable" seems more important than any actual need, or lack of alternatives. Meanwhile, affordable products get enshittified, shorter lifespans, etc.

though it's questionable when the cycle of just investing the newfound labor capacity into more luxuries will stop, if ever

Which is precisely why "post-scarcity" can only be reached with actual societal change, not just technological advancement.