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A 14-year-old boy allegedly fatally shot his older sister in Florida after a family argument over Christmas presents, officials said Tuesday.

The teen had been out shopping on Christmas Eve with Abrielle Baldwin, his 23-year-old sister, as well as his mother, 15-year-old brother and sister's children, Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said during a news conference.

The teenage brothers got into an argument about who was getting more Christmas presents.

"They had this family spat about who was getting what and what money was being spent on who, and they were having this big thing going on in this store," Gualtieri said.

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

The bullet traveled through her left arm and into her chest, popping both of her lungs. She suffered internal bleeding and was unable to breathe

That's the nice way of saying she drowned in her own blood.

"These young kids — 14, 15 years old — routinely carry firearms and this is what happens when you got young delinquents that carry guns," Gualtieri said. "They get upset, they don't know how to handle stuff, and they end up shooting each other."

Just FYI, this is not limited to children. There's plenty of adults who have zero idea on how to handle stress without flashing a piece. I've seen about six different people use that as a method of indicating I'm getting over in your lane on my way into work pre-pandemic.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I’m pretty gullible and I believe a lot of stuff. So I’m asking this sincerely.

Are you saying that in America people are tapping their widow with a Glock and giving you the stink eye to get into your lane? Like, instead of indicating and then waiting for a safe gap?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

America is pretty big, and that isn't something that happens where I live (Seattle)

But there are parts of this country where a surprisingly large percentage of people are completely fucking insane and peacock with weapons in reckless ways. It also isn't unusual for children to have guns, even if it isn't legal.

There's a high school in rural Colorado that has given up on doing anything about guns in their high school because something like 30% of students are armed on any given day.

I grew up in Tennessee, and students were allowed to store guns in their cars parked in the high school parking lot.

I have met many people who open-carry and then openly emphasize it to others because they want to be intimidating. It's a part of their identity, and they will let you know in inappropriate ways.

This country is weird. I'm happy to live in a less violent part of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Reno 911! did a bit on this topic. Metal detector at school, manned by the sherriffs. They'd let you surrender your piece and keep it until you left. They had a valet wall behind them and like, claim tags and shit.

I apologize for the tiktok link: https://www.tiktok.com/@reno911tvfan/video/7216351539382979886

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've never seen someone flash a gun in my almost 30 years in the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I live in Texas and see people strapped pretty often, but they usually aren't like waving it around or anything.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That does seem to be what he is lying about, yes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be so sure. I saw someone pull a gun at a fast-food drivethrough because there was a disagreement about whether the dude ordered french fries. And you're literally responding to an article about a kid killing his sister with a gun over presents. What makes it so unbelievable to you?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm not doubting guns have been used in road rage incidents before, I'm doubting he's seen it 6 times since the pandemic.

And I'm doubting the effectiveness over a blinker because tbh I'm not making eye contact with other drivers at 75mph, I'm a little busy, so I won't even see the gun like I would "the flashing light called a turn signal."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They said pre pandemic not post

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fair, I assumed he meant since then, but it looks like he hasn't seen anyone do that since the pandemic maybe? Are we just referring to all of recorded history before 2019 as "pre-pandemic" now?

In any case I don't believe this dude has seen it happen six times in his life or any of his past lives, flat out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He wasn't saying it was effective. And typically on freeways and interstates, the speed differential between cars, which are also all moving in the same direction, makes it much easier to make eye contact and see individuals in their cars.

The lack of a large speed differential is also one of the reasons assisted driving systems are most effective on interstates, freeways, and highways.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He wasn't saying it was effective.

He indicated their success by neglecting to use the word "try."

And typically on freeways and interstates, the speed differential between cars, which are also all moving in the same direction, makes it much easier to make eye contact and see individuals in their cars.

Keep your eyes on the road man, you're going to get in an accident.

The lack of a large speed differential is also one of the reasons assisted driving systems are most effective on interstates, freeways, and highways.

Do they brake for armed motorists?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I sense you get this a lot in your life, but: 🙄

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I think it is generally unlikely but am also sure that there are places where this is part of the culture.

In Florida you’re allowed to use lethal force if you justifiably believe that your safety is threatened. When lockdown first started, there was a video of a dude having a meltdown at a Costco because he had to wear a mask. The person at the door was a woman of 65-70 and the man child pumped up his chest and yelled “I feel threatened” at her, which I learned in Florida for threatening to murder someone over an inconvenience.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Good God what city do you live in?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Jesus. Where the fuck do you live that people do that?