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Which claim do you think that proves? Because I asked you to prove multiple claims and, as far as I can tell, that was not one of them.
That the liberal media is deliberately causing them to promote their anti gun views. CNN has way more blood on their hands than the NRA ever has.
Name a single proposal you think will prevent or mitigate shootings. I’ll wait.
That, again, does not prove any of the things I asked you to prove. I'm not going to name any proposals, because it's not my job to prove your claims are wrong. It's your job to prove your claims are correct. That's how the burden of proof works.
Now, these are the claims I would like proof for, please:
1 - "None of the current proposals with any sort of support from the democrats will make any sort of a difference here."
Please prove that none of the current proposals with any sort of support from the Democrats will make any sort of difference. Not one proposal, not ten proposals. You said none. Please back this up.
2 - "The issue isn’t the guns but they focus on them and deliberately encourage them to create emotional responses to try and ban them."
Please prove that they are deliberately encouraging them to create emotional response to try and ban them. You have not even begun to do so.
3 - "Semi auto bans, magazine capacities, UBCs; none of them do a damn thing to prevent or mitigate mass shootings."
This should be very easy to prove, yet you did not even attempt it.
4 - "There is tons that can be done to prevent and mitigate them but the alt left wants them to happen so they can ban guns so they will continue happening."
Please prove that the "alt left" wants to ban guns so that mass shootings will continue happening. You have not proven this.
I have very little faith you will prove a single one of these claims because you sure have not so far.
On the other hand, you could very easily say, "I can't prove those, they're just my opinions." I doubt you will, but please do prove me wrong on that one because it would be refreshing on the internet for someone to actually admit they can't back up their claims.
So I get the feeling that you're used to arguing by just being overbearing and smug but that doesn't mean that you actually win the argument at the end of the day. Just repeating "prove it, prove it, prove it, prove it, prove it" makes you sound like a broken record without a single original thought of your own and no understanding of basic reason or scientific method. You don't "prove" something is true by positively showing it applies to 100% of cases, you do it by testing it against all other cases until there are no exclusions left. If you want to show I'm wrong and try to convince people here all you need to do is name a law and show me a state where it was implemented with a resulting reduction in mass shootings. The thing is, you can't, which is why you're just repeating the same thing over and over and over again.
As far as the far left like CNN and MSNBC causing them, it really doesn't take much to show their impact on it. Virtually every criminal psychologist agrees that they do it for the infamy and attention and vehemently disagree with the current standard practice of reporting on them. The liberal media literally takes the exact list of "what not to do" by the experts and does just that every single time and, as the study I linked shows, this has been blatantly linked to repeats and copy cats.
As I said in a previous reply, there is a simple legislative fix here, but it goes directly against the 1st Amendment freedom of press so unfortunately, until CNN grows a conscience and decides they care about stopping mass shootings more than they hate Republicans and guns, we're going to keep seeing these pop up from time to time. The real world solution of just having basic morals and being a decent human being isn't even novel. Cable news shooters boil down to a very fucked up version of public suicide; virtually none of them expect to survive and those that do are almost always because they chicken out at the end. Suicide has been known to be contagious based on publicity for decades and all major news networks have developed a standard of reporting that reduces this. Unless it's a celebrity (where they ignore this which leads to copy cats) you never see a news story about "Bill Smith was found hanging in his closet Thursday night after committing suicide." They always use careful phrasing along the lines of "Thursday night Bill Smith was found dead in his home, no foul play was suspected." A similar standard phrasing that does not name the attacker while reporting the basic facts of value to the public and de-glorifying the shooter would fall right in line with this. Unfortunately, they don't want to solve the issue so we still have this. Religious based and terrorist goals would still be an issue but even without guns mass killings are always possible by anyone with enough commitment. Bombs and car attacks have the potential to be far more lethal than a single shooter in a public setting but the current trend of suicidal losers trying to get the cable news high score a meaningful change could actually be made by not fucking giving them exactly what they want while creating a motive for others that try every single time.
Sorry... you think it's unreasonable for me to expect you to back up your claims with evidence? Are you some sort of omniscient god who speaks only in gospel truths?
Yeah, yet again that is just literally not how anything works in the real world. You seem to be used relying on echo chambers and smugness to get by. At the end of the day this one sided "debate" has gone on plenty long enough; anyone who hasn't already locked into one side or the other has more than enough to read through and realize that after a day and a half you have made literally zero statements whatsoever to actually support anything you've tried to posit. 100% of your arguments are simply a lazy meta attack directed at me with an astounding amount of direct avoidance of anything resembling actual support for your position. If there is actually anyone on Lemmy that is genuinely open to honest discussion and debate with an open mind they have already seen your responses and mine and taking this any further isn't necessary to convince them seeing as your responses have bolstered my views nearly as much as anything I've said. Since talking in circles is starting to get boring and you've already proved my point, I'll just leave it there. Have a nice weekend and Merry Christmas.
Backing up your claims is not how things work? You mean people should just be able to say whatever they want and be believed?
I mean I know that's how Trump feels. I just didn't think anyone here would feel that way.