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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Disclaimer: This is a joke. Ecofascism is obviously bad, kids. Don't be that guy.

https://theconversation.com/8-billion-people-why-trying-to-control-the-population-is-often-futile-and-harmful-194369

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yeah you know what would actually be better? Fixing legislation so that the 100 companies that create the majority of pollution stop doing that

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Lmmfao, yeah good luck with that.. (hint: the people who own those companies also own the government who makes the laws, there is no reforming capitalism, it's designed that way)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with this but the offered alternative is checks notes GENOCIDE

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Genocide is happening right now in the current system. Some learned from past mistakes some didn't. We can do better either way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They own the people in government, not the government itself. Change the people, change the ownership.

The trick is you have to start small, cause the ones in the bigger positions rely on the small ones to maintain their power.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The problem is that to obtain those big pistons, you need the financial backing of those big companies. So eventually as an honest politician climbs the ladder, he has to sell out, or fizzle out. You can't win federal elections without PAC money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Until you hit critical mass on those small politicians, and they change the playing field. The problem is seeing them only as stepping stones on the way to greatness, and not as a power in their own right.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Even better than that is changing the system so the 100 companies are no longer around to create a majority of pollution.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

The statistic that "Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions" is better understood as "Just 100 companies responsible for selling 71% of global fossil fuels". It's fundamentally saying that there's a few large coal, oil and gas companies worldwide selling us most of the supply.

If you want those companies to stop polluting, that amounts to those companies not selling fossil fuels.

Which is honestly the goal, but the only way to do that is to replace the demand for fossil fuels. Cutting the US off from fossil fuels would kill a ton of people if you didn't first make an energy grid 100% powered by renewables, got people to buy electric cars, cold climate heat pumps, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

That's true! But I think more than one "front" can be open in this battle. And we also need the ones that can be won quicker or easier. Or at least start those too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How do you think we could stop the pollution from those companies (most of which are oil producers) without also directly impacting normal people? There's no way of getting at the structural that avoids individual change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Individuals should change. We absolutely do not need the majority of products, and can still keep the modern conveniences without all the excess and waste.