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Electronic ids can provide the age verification without giving out any personal information. This is a solved problem at least for a lot of ids in the EU.
But no i still find it a stupid idea. It is the parents job to parent them.
Exactly - it's the parents' responsibility.
Imagine any government telling car manufacturers that they have to verify that everyone who starts their vehicles has a valid drivers license.
Don’t give them ideas, this is exactly the type of shit they want to enact
give it time. the government (us) wants to put interlock gadgets into every new car to prevent drunks from driving. driving under the influence is illegal and those that do are more likely to kill someone. so is driving without a license, and so are those drivers.
There are also circumstances where it's legal to drive over the legal bac. If someone is having a medical emergency then it's legal to drive them to a hospital.
It's still illegal - however it's a defence to prosecution to say that there was a form of emergency or other mitigating factors.
As always, the wording and mitigations are specific to the jurisdictions.
I suspect you haven't worked with governments before.
Just because something is technically possible, it's no guarantee that it will be the chosen mechanism for something. More likely the contract will be awarded to either the lowest possible bidder, or to a friend of a friend. Cronyism is depressingly common at all levels.
Not sure why you are under that impression. I never discussed the potential chosen mechanism.
I stated that it is possible and that it is already implemented into the id card of many eu citizens.
isn't the id unique? which means that sites can trace every visit you make and what videos you watch every time?
No. Thanks to cryptography it is possible. The Cincept is called Zero-knowledge proof. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
Here is a quick write up: https://www.identity.com/zero-knowledge-proofs/
thanks! if implemented correctly, this is a decent way of verifying age. Although I'd rather not have any but it's definitely better than taking a selfie.
That's still worrying: wouldn't some central authority know that "site X requested age verification for this person"?
No. There is no 3rd party service needed. It all can happen only between the service asking and the id (smart card).
... and that's different from the service having a record of your photo ID?
The service gets no other information other then "Is the holder of the id older then 18" => "Yes"
There is no personal data exchange.
Oh, so it's just some other service knowing you, personally, visited a particular porn site.
And that's completely immune to leaks or government snooping.
No. Again. There is no other service involved. Pls do some research.
The basic idea is ZKP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof
This here looks like a good write up: https://www.identity.com/zero-knowledge-proofs/